Very bad news for icord owners with diablo!

[Masoud]

Hi guys!
after a lot of reading on internet finally I decided to contact to the Humax hotline in Germany (useless office) regarding my dibalo and icord hd.
they said we will never going to sort this problem out with diablo cam
we don't support these sort of cams!!
that's sad :(
I'm just wondering why it works with UW 129!!!!????

[pipino]

@Masoud
very bad for you man!!!,why dont you ask Diablo team to make it work for iCord???? remember diablo cam is a Pirate cam

[Masoud]

yes but al least we can inform the other member to be ware.
i have trid many ways
but no one replay!!!!

[pr2]

Normally a CAM supports only one CAID, with the Diablo it support several CAIDs.
If you want to have it running in the iCord I guess you need to reduce (may be to one) the number of CAID that the Diablo register with the iCord.

Humax has in the past problem with the encryption manufacturers so I guess that if they want to still be able to sell "licenced product" they won't support multi-protocols CAMs.

Pr2

[Masoud]

Hi pr2
interesting! could you give us more information regarding the CAID and diablo.
how can we reduce the numbers of CAIDs in diablo??
thanks

[dxdy]

delete caids from caid file if you need to reduce

[Masoud]

hi dxdy and pr2
I'm not really professional sorry mate :(
could you explain it a bit more
what do you mean from the caid file ??you mean from the data.bin or key .bin or is it some where else ?
and how??
please add more details
thanks

[Mickha]

Hi Masoud,
editing, or creating, a new CAID file is easier than you can imagine.

You can either create a new CAID file, using Fausto:
Start up Fausto.
Click Tools, CAID edit, and add the CAID you require, by selecting it in the left hand pane, then clicking the green arrow pointing right, once complete click save, the floppy disk icon.

or edit an existing CAID file:
Connect your Diablo Cam to your Cas programmer and start up the Diablo software.
Click on the Cam File System tab and Connect.
You can now see, in the right hand pane, the files and folders currently loaded on your Diablo Cam.
Open the Config folder and the CAIDS folder, you will now see the current CAID.XML files currently in the Cam, select one of these, highlight it, and click the green arrow pointing left, this will copy the file to your computer desktop.
You can use Fausto to edit this file.
Start up Fausto, click on Tools and CAID edit.
Click on the folder icon, to the left of the CAIDS file address bar and load the CAID file you just copied from the Diablo cam.
In the right hand pane you will see the CAIDS currently in the list, on the left you can see the ones you can add.
Remove the ones you don't want by highlighting them and clicking the green arrow pointing left, and add the one you want by highlighting it in the right hand pane and clicking the green arrow pointing right.
Once complete click save, the floppy disk icon and it will be saved to your desktop.
All you have to do now is put your new XML file into the CAIDS folder the same way as you copied it, then select it in the Config menu when required.

You might want to do a separate one for each package you intend to view.

You can download Fausto in the Diablo tools section:
https://www.satpimps.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=369

[Tmull]

Masoud, I would love to know if it works. I feel it is too complicated to tackle it so will only do so if you get some result,TMULL

[Masoud]

Thanks Mickha!
I'll go to try it and will report here soon.
Tmull- I've seen your messages about the icord in to many web site, I know how important it is to you, to be honest icord is a beautiful box and since I started my investigation I have learned a lot about it.
it should be sorting out by somehow, just to let you know diablo is not the only solution.if we couldn't sort it out with a diablo I suggest to try ***** card and M2+ card with Conax or Irdeto cam.
please if any one has any experience about M2+ card and ***** card with icord, share it with us.
thanks

[Masoud]

Hi Mickha!
thanks for the tutorial.
I've done whatever you said about creating and editing a CAID file, I have managed to edit one of the CAIDS file named CAIDS.XML!
I opened CAIDS.XML, removed all CAIDs from the right hand pane to the left, then I added two CAIDs <1800> nagravision and <1801>nagravision2,saved and checked then copy to the cam.
after that Config menu>caids file>select the CAIDS which I edited to be activated.
in this case the cam should only able to open the nagravision!! right?
but the cam still able to open the Conax-thor 0.8w. I should add something here, I'm still working with my old STB which is totally compatible with my diablo just to make sure the cam is only able to open one CAID (nagravision)for example.
if I get successful I will then try the cam with my icord to see the result .
now,
I'm just wondering why is it like this? what I've done wrong ?
I've removed the other CAIDS from the CAIDS.XML file.
why the cam still open the Conax??
is it something to do with the keys or data.bin or???
thanks

[snakie]

You need to switch off the autopmt function , so the cam will use the caids.xml.
If autopmt is on then the cam uses and re-registers the available caids from stream.
When you switch it off, remove and re-insert the cam to init again,so the switching will be succesful.

[Masoud]

Right, autopmt off.
Conax channels are gone now but nagravision is ok ( DigiTv ) with my old and compatible STB with diablo.
so I understood by editing a CAID file which is located in the cam folders, Config folder>CAIDS folder, and then cam menu>autopmt off,the cam should decide what to do by looking at the key.bin file to match the keys and try to open a channel, is it correct ???
lets back to the icord,
before the changes on the CAIDS.XML which I have done, I had no message from the cam but now it's look better, I get this message when I put the channel on DigiTV:
Keys are Expire!
any idea ????
I should add if I put the cam to my old STB with all the changes I don't get any message and DigiTv is open!!
any suggestion???

[oblomov]

Some receivers (rare, but some, no idea about yours) only recognise one ca-id at a time during INIT, the first they see in stream. You can test if your stb is that way on 1W by doing following:

Make one caid file and call it CONAX.XML with this line only in it:
<caid value="0b00"></caid>

Make another and call it NAGRA.XML with only this line in it:
<caid value="1801"></caid>

Load both those caid files to their right place in cam with your CAS interface. Delete all others that come with any Underworld that you program. Select AUTOPMT to OFF in cam menu. Try Digi TV channels or CD conax channels. If only CD conax channels work, then your CONAX.XML you made will have priority. To make Digi TV work, you'll need to go into diablo cam menu. Configuration->Caids File->Select NAGRA.XML you made instead of the currently highlighted CONAX.XML. Reboot reciever. Now digitv should open and conax channels won't.

If that happens, then your reciever only accepts one CAID at INIT. And you'll have to manually switch between your individual CAID files like that, with a reboot, every time you switch between conax and nagra channels. But you'll at least be able to access more than the one CAS with the stb. If you want to watch other CAS, you'll have to make individual caid.xmls for each one the same way. In case of irdeto2, that would mean one for each provider.

[Masoud]

Thanks oblomov!
I have done it and now it's working as you said.if I apply Conax on the cam menu just Conax is open and if I apply Nagra only DigiTv works with UW157.
but again it works with my old STB, noting happens with my new icord,it's exactly the same, I get this messages:
Keys are Expire!
insert your card!
I don't get it, why is it like that ???why I couldn't get any channels with new UW,what has been changed since UW129?????

[oblomov]

Hmmmm ...

I don't have access to a DigiTV stream here to check, but I can guess a possible reason why an old version of Underworld may have given you colours on DigiTV if you had AUTOPMT on and now why it doesn't on your icord. I presume DigiTV got both nagra2 caid (1801) and upcoming nagra3 caid(1802) simulcrypting now cos they have some nagra3 cards in circulation. If the 1801 caid appeared in stream first in past, and icord was one with prob I described of only accepting one caid at INIT, then you would be fine - you got keys for that caid's ident. But if the 1802 (nagra3) caid is now coming first in stream, you'd start get wrong keys message on DigiTV cos you don't have keys for this ident in diablo. In tunnelling other CAS through conax v4.00 cams in past, there was a similar but not so bad problem. With this cam, it take the first ecm-pid for any ident within any caid. In case of some French providers who broadcasted dummy provs first, it meant you could never get cam to get to the ident you had keys for.

That is with AUTOPMT on ... but with AUTOPMT off and you declaring 1801 caid only by making a nagra caid xml file like I described then shouldn't get that problem. I don't know why that wouldn't work. It sound almost like the rec won't let you declare caids to it at all. But that can't be so.

With AUTOPMT set to on, you posted that CD conax channels work when you start up your icord on them, right? If it's so, and you only want to watch 1W, we can do away with a Conax.xml file uploaded to cam. You could try then only having the nagra.xml file with 1801 caid in it loaded to cam. Then when you switch AUTOPMT off, cam would then automatically switch to this caid file.

So AUTOPMT on = conax
AUTOPMT off = DigiTV

So go to DigiTV channel when set up like that, turn AUTOPMT off in cam, turn receiver off/on, now it should be declaring 1801 caid for parsing from stream when receiver is back on.

If you still get wrong keys message, then suggest to me icord won't let you specify caid and 1802 nagra3 stream, rather than 1801 is gettig sent to cam. If that's so, then sorry ... I can't think of how you can fix this for now.

[Masoud]

thanks m8!
well I've done it and no result !!!
just so confusing!
there is miss understand up there about conax, I have two STB. with the old one it's possible to get conax with my dibalo and of course UW156,157- but with my new STB which is icord I can't get conax at all with any UW !!
at the moment with diablo and icord i can just open DigiTv but not with new UW like 157. I have to load UW129 with new Keys.bin file to get DigiTv
that's my killing question what has been changed since UW 129
because even now I can get DigiTv but only with UW129!!!!!Emu on

[oblomov]

Ah, then I misread your posts. If you turn receiver on with AUTOPMT on when on a 1W conax channel and don't get picture (ie, I mean you didn't turn receiver on on a DigiTV channel and then zap to conax channel), then not a prob with icord only accepting first caid at INIT. If DigiTV opens on the icord, conax shouldn't be a problem to open either if you boot stb on a conax channel at 1W.

Sound like diablo coders need make some check of what happening with current Underworlds on your stb, if they care enough about fixing it. Duolabs have a forum still? They need to make debug logs of DigiTV with Underworld version that is working, and debug logs of DigiTV/CD conax in Underworld not working in your model stb to see what is going wrong and be able to fix it. Their code is not open source, so only they can fix it for you. Good luck with it.

[Masoud]

thanks m8 for all the information,
yes they have a forum and we have put a message in there about that matter
do you know what happened?

Quote:
Originally Posted by tmull
Since UW 129 no Underworld firmware up to the latest UW143 will open any channels on my Humax iCord. I have to revert back to UW 129 but I have lost a lot of channels including most of my HD channels. I have had this problem now for about seven weeks. Has anyone a solution to this problem? Is it the cam,or the Humax or the firmware? TMULL

Hi
uw files cannot be discussed on this forum sorry.

can you believe it !?!?!?

http://www.duolabs.com/forumz/showthread.php?t=6118&highlight=icord

Oh and what do you think if I get a M2+ card with an official conax cam or a G a m m a card with an irdeto cam ? ??would be ok?

[oblomov]

Yep, I can believe it. For business reasons that probably quite sensible of them ... They have to make it look for legal reasons as if they produce cam, and that software written for cam is by third-party developers, nothing to do with them. Although handling a paid upgrade of their cam from 2.2 to 2.3, required to work newer Underworld supposed 'third-party' software, a good provider lawyer could have some fun with no doubt. :=)

You will make same effect if you post same message in Diablo section of lot of European forums. Their coders will see the message. Whether they take time to debug and fix it probably depend on how many of you with this stb there are who would like to buy a diablo cam, but won't, cos they read current Underworld versions don't work anything on this stb. More noise, more places, more people buying this stb, quicker they get a debug made. ;=)

[Masoud]

good idea !
I will write as much as i can about this matter,
My humax is useless now and I did spend £425 for it :(
m8 do you have any experience with original cams and hobby cards?
I was thinking to get an official cam like conax or irdeto with a hobby card like M2+card for conax or G-a-m-m-a card for irdeto to get some channels at least.
what do you think about it ?
I think they are single CAID or encryption and they should work with my icord
what do you think,do you have any experience about those cards and cams?
regards

[oblomov]

I would press other users who have same stb as you to try get fix in Underworld first. If it's working DigiTV in your humax right now using an old Underworld version, it can work it again. Just takes the will from them to make a debug and fix.

If you can't wait, sure, check on boards for your rec if they have any prob reported working with v3.03 or v4.00 conax cams and, if they don't, look on auction sites for second-hand one. Plenty people who bought multi-cams like diablo probably look to make bit money on old conax cams they want sell. An M2+ card should work in it ok. And the 0x28 nano in conax makes it possible to tunnel pretty much any CAS through a conax cam. Not much public CAS open to do that with for you. But you should be able to find at least some Season-based emulators around to open DigiTV through conax cam ... WCE, for example, can handle conax tunnelling and should be able to handle Nagra2 DigiTV ok, so long as you enter current key in dat files.

[Mickha]

Hi Masoud,
have you tried going into the Cams menu, the CAS folder, and turning off all other encryption types apart from the one required?
It might be worth playing around with the settings.
If you are sure the problem lies with the later Underworld software perhaps if enough owners filled in the contact form, on the diablocam.com website, they might start working on a fix.

[Masoud]

thanks oblomov!I hope UW fix it soon and if they don't I might get a conax cam with M2+ card.

to Mickha,
thanks m8.I have tried any possible ways but no positive result.
at least I'm 90% sure there is noting to do with humax icord and it's a bug with Underworld firmware and we should put pressure on them to make a debug and fix the problem.