tested 5 receivers for best picture quality

[uki]

i tested 5 receivers for the best picture quality in sd and hd in the last 7 days and this are my results.

1. kathrein ufs 910

2. topfield tf7710 pvr

3. techmomate 6900 hd super

4. ipbox 9000

5. dreambox dm800

as i said i only tested for picture quality and nothing else.what really amazed me with the kathrein ufs 910 is that sd pictures look like hd in some of the channels and the hd pictures is amazing although the receiver is the most difficult to use.it is such a headache using with the original firmware although better with enigma 2
topfield is very good as well however the picture on the dreambox is rubbish. hd pictures on the dreambox are not as good as kathreins sd pictures .

[jimrare]

hd pictures on the dreambox are not as good as kathreins sd pictures .
How did you make this comparison? SD and HD pictures are incomparable, you are talking rubbish.

If you want to make a real comparison, get the same input video, stream it to the same tv using the same input cables and somehow compare the visual quality.

[jimrare]

And remember that visual quality is something objective, you need to find a good measure of comparison in order to convince us.

[uki]

How did you make this comparison? SD and HD pictures are incomparable, you are talking rubbish.

If you want to make a real comparison, get the same input video, stream it to the same tv using the same input cables and somehow compare the visual quality.


i stand by what i said hd pictures on dreambox does not compare to sd pictures on kathrein like good quality german channels sat1, rtl,vox etc .this is my own opinion and you dont have to accept it.

[jimrare]

I can certainly read that hd pictures on the dreambox are not as good as kathreins sd pictures, so you cant realy convince me that a Katherein sd picture is better than a dreambox hd.

[jimrare]

Anyway, nothing personal, thanks for your effort and letting us know your results.

[AJR]

Whilst I appreciate and take on board the work done by uki, the problem with tests of this nature is that they are very subjective.. the visual preferences of person 1 can be different to person 2 and so on.

Even if you do the tests in a laboratory rig and compare all sorts of data, some peeps will still prefer the 'rubbish' picture quality of the Dm.

Its another advert for the kathrein by uki

https://www.satpimps.co.uk/showpost.php?p=583655&postcount=10



:D

[uki]

Whilst I appreciate and take on board the work done by uki, the problem with tests of this nature is that they are very subjective.. the visual preferences of person 1 can be different to person 2 and so on.

Even if you do the tests in a laboratory rig and compare all sorts of data, some peeps will still prefer the 'rubbish' picture quality of the Dm.

Its another advert for the kathrein by uki

https://www.satpimps.co.uk/showpost.php?p=583655&postcount=10



:D

actually it is an advert ,i work for kathrein... it is just so sad that one cant have an honest opinion on an issue without being crucified.anyway,im done im not going to bother myself anymore.

[simon 2003]

hardly a cruxifiction m8,this is using your screen your cabling and so as said is subjective ,for example i have never seen any SD material compare to HD on my fujitsu screen ,and my 800 is almost as good if not better than my sky HD rec for HD pics

[Jim Dale]

Its not a bad looking satbox plus the price looks good to £275 inclued vat

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[jimrare]

actually it is an advert ,i work for kathrein... it is just so sad that one cant have an honest opinion on an issue without being crucified.anyway,im done im not going to bother myself anymore

First of all sd pictures are mainly mpeg2, and hd a "flavor" of mpeg4. Two compression schemes, with mpeg4 being an upgrade of mpeg2. One major difference is that mpeg2 breaks down pictures to 8x8 pixel blocks, while mpeg4 can handle variable block sizes.

In simple words by default mpeg4 can handle pictures in a more efficient way, in comparison to mpeg2 which unavoidably creates blockiness, especially at places where pixel values differ. So your test has already failed.

Moreover how can you compare a (worst case) 1280x720 hd picture to a (best case) 720x576 sd one? You need to compare exactly same pictures in order to make some kind of conclusion.

I've seen many top sat magazines making the same "comparisons" and all of them end up with different conclusions (for obvious reasons). Nobody is here to crucify you, we are all here to exchange opinions.

[mrbleu500]

actually it is an advert ,i work for kathrein... it is just so sad that one cant have an honest opinion on an issue without being crucified.anyway,im done im not going to bother myself anymore.

uki, it's good to hear you are being honest about who you work for...

When I was looking for a new HD box I considered the Kat because of good reports about the picture quality, however, I changed my mind and bought the TM6900 after I read reports about the poor support for the Kat, buggy software, and incompatibility with many cams. Many peeps here are aware of these shortcomings.

You should have focussed your pr puff on improvements in these areas, and maybe it would have been more useful ;)

[xanadu]

There is no mention here of the display device used to compare the picture quality, or if all the same cables were used for each test.

If you are only using an SD CRT with a SCART then of course some SD will look like HD.:eek: :leaving:

[dreambox17]

ok

I also have 3 of those boxes and without doubt the kathrein is by far a superior picture

both in hd and sd

I tested them on a pioneer plasma

1 kathrein910

2 technomate 6900

3 dreambox 800


The pic quality is not everthing in a box but this is how i see it

Time to shoot me down

[albsky]

I am a proud owner of a dm800. I am just curious to know the size and quality of tv sets used for the tests. I have a Panasonic 50pz800 and the HD quality is astonishing even from 10 inches away.
If you compare the boxes in a 32" tv set, then maybe you will have the perception that HD and SD have comparable quality.
To be more accurate use Eurosport HD and Eurosport SD from the same package.

[stefor]

If he genuinely works for the company, I really can't believe he'd have the cheek to try and post a report on here. He's not likely to stand up and say "I think my bosses company make poor receivers", is he?

He sounds like one of those dudes who approach you at trade shows, saying how fab their products are compared to the next stand down!!

[dreambox17]

I think uki was just joking at that because everyone shot him down for giving his opinion

naturaly everyone likes to think they have the best equipment
i have tested them on a 50" pioneer plasma

i think if you viewed them on a 32" tv i doubt you would tell them apart

[AJR]

it is just so sad that one cant have an honest opinion

What did you think of mrbleu500's opinion uki ?

[dreambox17]

I use the technomate 6900 mostly as it is so easy to use one patch and your done

the kathrein is a great box but you have to play around with various software to get it right it does not come with diseqc 1.2 out of the box but there is a 1.07 firmware getting released any day now

works great with enigma 2 apart from bugs in the recording but this will be sorted one day

[Bbigfoot]

Hi All, & uki,

Uki, thier"s one part of your test missing.
Its in your user name, (UK).
when testing STBs made for, say France, you should test
in (Secam) as well as (Pal UK).
No Pal transmitted in France, its all Secam.
Secam will only become (Enabled) when you plug in your
Satellite STB (grayed out in freeview mode) Pal UK Only.
Tune on your STB, Goto Menu in your TV Screen.
Goto (Colour System) you should have 4 or 5 System
to choose from (Pal UK..Pal..Secam) and more.

BF...

[uki]

ok

I also have 3 of those boxes and without doubt the kathrein is by far a superior picture

both in hd and sd

I tested them on a pioneer plasma

1 kathrein910

2 technomate 6900

3 dreambox 800


The pic quality is not everthing in a box but this is how i see it

Time to shoot me down


thanks for confirming the obvious.its a bit disappointing that the truth is a bitter pill for some people to swallow in this forum.i am also suprised that some people in this forum actually think i work for kathrein.its shocking,isnt it?

[albsky]

Nobody thinks you work for kathrein. You are just trying to sell it. Your only problem is that you are five years late. The time DMM created an enthusiast community that doesn't care about a few bucks more, or about the quality that is found in all those "clones" that are trying to use linux or enigma2 images. You can see that for sure: the posts about dm800 are times more than other boxes, even in the period dm800 wasn't out yet.

[AJR]

i work for kathrein... it is just so sad that one cant have an honest opinion on an issue without being crucified.anyway,im done im not going to bother myself anymore.


i am also suprised that some people in this forum actually think i work for kathrein.its shocking,isnt it?

Make your mind up ... either you do or you don't

Not that it matters.... but its good to be consistent

[uki]

Make your mind up ... either you do or you don't

Not that it matters.... but its good to be consistent


AJR

i thought you were a man of great intellect,when i said i work for kathrein that was supposed to be a figure of speech.i was been ironic and actually meant the opposite.i'm sure a lot of people got the gist

uki

[mrbleu500]

Unfortunately, irony is a little difficult to spot on the page, which is why peeps use the smilies... ;)

[AJR]

Hi uki

Sorry I missed the irony... it was as clear as mud :D

[xanadu]

Where does AZbox HD fit in the pic quality order?

Is it near the bottom I wonder?

[Jim Dale]

Every body's got a different few of there HD box and you'll always find people who say my satbox is brilliant picture/sound is out of this world and you will also find people who will say rubbish because the dreambox HD800 is better, its got the guys joining in and thats what a forum is all about guys helping out in anyway thay can, its been really interesting to see what others have to say so all i can say to the member who started this is thanks for adding your post..jim dale:respect-048::respect-067::respect-069:

[fred fickle]

Most important thing is good software regularly updated ease of use and cam compatability .
Picture and sound quality is in the eye and ear of the beholder!!!