Alternatives to CCcam ?

[paulwilko]

Hiya

I have the most basic knowledge of CCcam and CS as a whole.

I was wondering what alternatives there are and do they work better on the AZbox.

If you do reply, please explain the particular alternative as i prob wont know what you are on about LOL !

Cheers

Paul

[hfmls]

mbox


faster, lighter, many good options and organization.

[rtificial]

I completely agree.

Mbox is powerful, reasonably easy to maintain, light-weight.

[paulwilko]

Can you please explain a little more about MBOX and how it works as this is a new one on me.

What do you mean Light weight ?

Can I use the same C Lines i have from my peers ?

[hfmls]

no, it's not compatible with cccam.
u use newcs to read the card and a C line in mbox to connect to newcs.
much less traffic, and much faster conecting to peers and opening channels

[hfmls]

~dont pay for servers :) exchange free glines.
joirn mbox oficial forum

[kmc]

not enough mbox users though thats the prob.
cheers
kmc

[pero22]

On azbox only mbox works fine enithing else not worth a dime.

[FME_fta]

On azbox only mbox works fine enithing else not worth a dime.

MultiCAS, sbox, newcs, mgcamd, rqcamd works fine, CCCam and CCC sometimes works fine too.
You also have MPCS now for azbox...

[terrorman]

the CAS is very slow access to any or CardReaders EMUS ... if not solve the error is for everyone equally.

when a CW's leaving the server in 330ms, a friend can arrive CAS +8 s, this is the main reason for the cuts and malfunction.

as i say,, is general for all, nothing else works 100%

[kmc]

the CAS is very slow access to any or CardReaders EMUS ... if not solve the error is for everyone equally.

when a CW's leaving the server in 330ms, a friend can arrive CAS +8 s, this is the main reason for the cuts and malfunction.

as i say,, is general for all, nothing else works 100%

so mbox is just as bad as cccam
cheers
kmc

[Taykun]

no it isnt, mbox is better on azbox

[hfmls]

mbox works perfect in my azbox hd, allways had

[rtificial]

not enough mbox users though thats the prob.
cheers
kmc

I disagree. I have managed to build a strong Mbox network in less than a week.

[rtificial]

the CAS is very slow access to any or CardReaders EMUS ... if not solve the error is for everyone equally.

when a CW's leaving the server in 330ms, a friend can arrive CAS +8 s, this is the main reason for the cuts and malfunction.

as i say,, is general for all, nothing else works 100%

Technically, you may very well be right, but in practice, Mbox seems to work 100% on AZbox, and at least a lot better than all others, except maybe MultiCAS.

[hfmls]

mbox and multicas works great.


btw: mower (the_ripper) is back. expect news in mbox :)
fixing a few bugs,nagra3 direct and update emm. heheheh :)

[antrabe]

and for cccam nothing new?

[hfmls]

dunno, i didn't ask. i like mbox more. after nagra3 without newcs and update emm. why do u need cccam? :)

[antrabe]

i use before mbox but with cccam is more stable no freezes i only have to reboot 40 minutes more or less also i can open package thta with mbox i cant

[hfmls]

wait for next mbox version, it will be better in azbox hd, optimized.

[hanswurscht]

I agree fully to Mbox!
Running 2Month without any reboot needed.
Record works like a Charme, and building a good Network is easy, very easy :)

The next good Pair is NewCS and Mgcamd to Gbox Network, but record dont work good as on mbox.

[enrico001u]

I am try to use Mbox but have no experiance of this emu
I use a dm500s as a cccam server and need to feed this to azbox

I have created myself a cline of C: 192.168.1.6 15000 azbox azbox

Do I just enter this into the mbox.cfg
Or does it need translating or changing somehow?

Any help appreciated thanks

[hfmls]

cccam and mbox don't connect to each other.
maybe u can use CCC 0.2 in azbox hd.
it's a cccam client.

[kmc]

why dont all us az users use mbox
regards
kmc

[hfmls]

hehe, same question :)
there's thousands of mbox users...maybe u look in wrong place :)
i am happy with mbox. 50 peers. all with local. not adding any one else. :)

some users have 140..150 peers.

and yes mbox is that light :)

[kmc]

but,is it quick and does it need rebooting every few mins
cheers
kmc

[hfmls]

of course not :) i have my mbox 5 days up now. but i had more.

i connect to 50 users in 5 seconds +/-

it's really quick and light. and it's way way faster to connect and open channels then cccam.
you reboot azbox hd..your box show tv module allraedy with image in it. :)

[kmc]

come on lads time to join the mbox party lol
kmc

[hfmls]

if we all go to mbox...why do we need cccam?
mbox is free...lots of users..losts of supporte...
compatible with all boxs!


mower (author) is a friend of opensat..what more can we want? :)

and in next few days new release, even better for azbox hd is going to be released

[DARKMAN]

I think is The time for the CCcam to have a Competitor....The only one Company have all sorces is DMM and be like Dominator only because they have controll the source of CCcam..
CCcam=DMM nothink to hide in that,thats mean Business...No more hobby.

With CCcam working a lot of SD boxes to, but that dont mean they are the best boxes...That CCcam has done more truble in the real satellite hobby then enythink else...

I think is not possible the people has been infected from this Dominator or this big advertise of the CCcam !

I will be fist one to change to Mbox is well, for two Reason: 1. Mbox is Better and second CCcam request a lot of bandsith in sharing and has a lot of Bugs Hack.
Very danger.

[kmc]

hfmls and darkman are talking a lot of sense here,cccam works well with dreambox,but mbox works well with azbox,might be worth giving it a try
cheers
kmc

[hfmls]

try mbox in dreambox.

u will be amazed :D

zapping is like WOW. :)

instantanely!!! like 400 ms

besides dist2 in cccam is like dist4 in mbox :) (stability) i use I:2 (watch till hop2)
and it's never more than 1...1.5 seconds in dist2. the decoding...hop1 is like 300...400..500 really really fast

[hfmls]

[08:54:13] <-CW from 085.240.188.024 (EAC3) => forwarded to 192.168.1.5 port 20000,time (455 ms)


(dm7000 as a server, serving azbox hd, from another peer!)
so....hop2
peer-------dreambox server--------azbox
455ms :)

[hfmls]

besides mbox software to manage glines, trace log, allow.list ignore.list port.list etc etc etc is more pretty than cccam and u can have web interface or EXE :)

[kmc]

is it as quick on azbox as it is in dreambox
cheers
kmc

[hfmls]

no, but it will be.

in terms of speed

mbox-azbox = cccam-dreambox

:) speed of mbox in azbox hd, is equal or faster than cccam in dreambox.
so it's good. but it will be better when mower releases his work where there's no need to use openxcas :D

[Taykun]

i suggest that you guys try mbox . More users will use mbox = better network.
If you have local everything will be easier.

[paulwilko]

I must admit, u guys make a strong case for mbox but as i am very new to satellite generally, i have only just got used to cccam.

I would need a very good tutorial on mbox for me to change

Anyone care to help me ?

[hfmls]

google mbox exyusat (official forum)
all help u can get is in there :)
really simple

[paulwilko]

Does every peer have to have the same mbox version for it to work ?

I can have different cccam to my peers and it still works, is that the same for mbox ?

[rtificial]

Again, I completely agree with hfmls, Really satisfied about my Mbox as well. Very fast, no reboots required. (Although I reboot on a daily basis for maintenance)

I'm just waiting for the new version, and I'm hoping the new version will support the cardreader, that would kill the need for newcs.

Supporting EMM's is a good thing as well. Apart from that, I'm completely satisfied.

Much better experience than I had with CCcam.

[hfmls]

u have to use allways the updated.

why wouldn't you?

latest is 06 0010

in mbox, the latest is allways the best. beta testers, test it before release.

[paulwilko]

u have to use allways the updated.

why wouldn't you?

latest is 06 0010

in mbox, the latest is allways the best. beta testers, test it before release.
I don't always use the latest CCCam because of possible bugs but I can still connect to my peers !!

I am in the process of setting up my MBOX now.
Do i have to delete my CCCam before i can start ?

Also, who would like to share with me just so i know i have it working properly ?

PM me please if you can help if only for 1 day ?

[hfmls]

i only trade with hispasat users, sorry.

mbox is different from cccam.
u should allways use mbox latest version, because it's allways the best one. emu is still the same..updates is just to fix bugs.

[paulwilko]

Ok but do i delete cccam first ?

I dont really want to as if mbox does not work straight away at least i can go back to CCCam for a while

[hfmls]

u dont need to, just disable it with # before.

[paulwilko]

weird thing is, i have put # infront of it and rebooted yet i can still see it on ipadds:16001

[hfmls]

cccam in azbox hd, when u installed it, maybe installed something to auto start. rename cccam folder to __ or so

[Carp95]

CCcam is stable and as fast as mbox overhere.

Can watch a hole day without any freezes ( just a extra "zap" now and then switching between SD and HD )

At least CCcam knows too look for S3 instead off irdeto2 for dutch provider, mbox looses it's focus with that.

Averige zaptime is about 2 sec.

Just shows how's you're setup and YES you still need a good .prio file with latest CCcam releases.

[rtificial]

At least CCcam knows too look for S3 instead off irdeto2 for dutch provider, mbox looses it's focus with that.


That's very much depending on configuration of Mbox/NewCS.

I don't have problems with this anymore.

[goran]

Can you share, please?:respect-051:

[FME_fta]

On Mbox we have the file mbox.prio, in here we can specify the CaIDProvID priority for each provider.



//example !!!
//usage:
//P: { sidpid caidprovid;caidprovid; ... ; }
// max 5 caid_provid in the line !!!
//all values are in hexadecimal!!


//usage:
//P without sid pid
//P: { caidprovid;caidprovid; ... ; }
// max 5 caid_provid in the line !!!
//all values are in hexadecimal!!
//P line with sid pid has priority over P line without sid pid !!!!!


Regards!

[hfmls]

allow.list is raelly cool too.


it's the opposite of a ignore.list

u put in allow.list only the providers u want to share and receive.

[DARKMAN]

I must admit, u guys make a strong case for mbox but as i am very new to satellite generally, i have only just got used to cccam.

I would need a very good tutorial on mbox for me to change

Anyone care to help me ?

dont forget before all of us been in Gbox or Mgcamd or some difent cams and all we learn CCcam, same story will be for Mbox in Future dont wory.

[rtificial]

Can you share, please?:respect-051:
I'm quite sure I shared my examples in the NewCS central configuration topic :)

[goran]

Ooopssss... sorry, memory was not working... :)

:respect-051:

[iwols]

so am i right in thinking that mbox is similar to ccam ,ie f i havent got a card to share yet ,i can use it like i did cccam ,and just change a line in config file for testing it thanks

[hfmls]

each user as a gline...
u can only watch from a user if he has your gline too, otherwise mbox will say "intruder alert" and ignore it.

u dont need a card to use mbox.
mbox is similar to gbox, and completely different :)

[iwols]

so i dont have to share a card then

[hfmls]

nop,u dont need to share a card.

here is an example of my azbox hd mbox.cfg to connect to my dm7000 server.

M: { azboxhd ip { azboxhd pass }}
I: { 4 }
O: { 2000 1800 }
N: { 500 300 }


G: { dm7000ip { azboxport dm700port { dm7000glinepass { A4 A4 }}}}

[happyhammer]

whilst i agree with all thats been said about mbox v cccam, its also true that many of us do rely on payservers and if they are using cccam, then thats what we will have to use. many of us bought this box with the promise of cccam and thats been delivered, although still buggy.

Dont respond to this post with the usual payserver/user/leeches etc, nobody is forcing anyone to use them. Its just a reality.

So hopefully, Mower,Ripper and all, can continue their excellent work with cccam and mbox.

[goran]

There's no need for it [payservers], though... And that's reality, too...

[iwols]

thanks so when you ask for a cline to test in cccam,,,you ask for a gline in mbox is that all.........and is there an installation guide for mbox please

[hfmls]

yes, but you have to give your gline too. there's no cliente/server distintion.
even if you haven't got a card.

it's like msn contacts. if you have me, i have you. :D
i dont have an installation guide.

[goran]

I do... :rolleyes: ...which means so do you... :D

[Taykun]

here is my basic guide for mbox. For those who are struggling with it.

http://rapidshare.com/files/273944637/Basic_guide_to_Mbox_SatDudez.pdf. html

[hanswurscht]

I have tested a lot, and when I say a lot, i mean so(Weeks? Month? dunno :) )
tested Mbox04,0.6,cccam,also debian,mgcamd,rqcamd,newcs,mpcs and so on.
Tested all long enough on AZHD and I find only one Competion-
Mbox 0.6.10 and NewCS 1.20R13 second

With this Combination and correct Settings my local is working like a Charme, my CS is working without any Freeze for Hours, my records are working without freeze.

cccam is no option because its near crap on azhd aktual.
hanging,scambled,hanging,scambled ,FREEZEEEEE

Mgcamd is good, but record wont work 100%

mbox0.4 is also working,but there are a lot of difference,0.6 has much more good Features

So all Guys are telling they can switch between Satellites to other scrambled Providers without any freeze without mbox0.6.10 on AZH are not telling the Trues

I have good and stable Partners and some own Cards for tests, at actual Situation there is only on Way, Mbox 0.6.10 and NewCS 1.20R12 2th

Of course I will not keep quiet about EMM.
Its not working, so for some Cards its a big Problem, here is Mgcamd the perfect one, this works like a Charme with EMM.

So you must consider, what is your favorite Feature, what is urgent for you.

Mbox and EMM we can handle with a second User on NewCS from another Box with EMM rights, but not all have more then one box.

So another Way is, install the Pair Mbox 0.6.10 and NewCS 1.20R13 2th and mgcamd but deactivated.
Configure it to your NewCS with second User and EMM rights.

If your Cards loose entitlements, deactivate mbox for a Moment,activate mgcamd and update your Card with this.
Of course its not prakticable, when you have a Card which need all 24 Hours an Update :)

Important settings in cwshare are this :
O: { 1900 1500 }
N: { 300 100 }
First is for resend ECM and second if NewCS gets timeout or offline
With this settings I have really no freeze over a long TV Evening.
But this works for me only with 3177/3180
With all other Firmware there are delays,freezes from Time to Time, not often, but they are there.
Also 3177 is the first one with sound on HD records, when I play the recordfile on AZHD.

And please!!!
dont use crap like I:04 :)
Its a Joke I hope.
If you want quality and no freeze,no ****, you need I:02 , maybe I:03 as maximal.
Distance 4, think about......

[rtificial]

...

Thanks Hans, very nice post.

Now, what would really be helpful is posting your config, maybe with some notes here and there in case settings are specific for your situation.

[goran]

Yes, with the Full NewCS, please - many are struggling...

Cheerio!

[rtificial]

These 2 seem to have been important. Set them in my cwshare.cfg as well, and absolutely no freezes so far:

O: { 1900 1500 }
N: { 300 100 }

Thanks Hans!

[antrabe]

one question open all package without problems im thinking to change i used mbox04 but a lot freezes and problems

[rtificial]

It opens all my packages without problems.

Which package do you view?

[antrabe]

with cccam all less bfbs ew3 and digitalb hd en ew2.

[hanswurscht]

These 2 seem to have been important. Set them in my cwshare.cfg as well, and absolutely no freezes so far:

O: { 1900 1500 }
N: { 300 100 }

Thanks Hans!

Correct, thats the only important Configs, all others are standard.

And as I posted with I:04, dont do so.
You get only Quality with I:02 or 3 max(3 is maybe too much)

A lot of Cards, fine, but it dont make any Sense to have a lot of Cards, because they are coming from too far away, so you get freezes and also every new Card must be handle in mbox.

Better collect good Partners for your prefered Providers.

To Goran, my Settings are really Standardsettings, no special. Also I dont have this List, what you have posted for all Emus (1-6), not needed in actual Firmware.
For Packages, I can tell only for that what I have. 23,5,13,19 Degrees, I get all Packages if I need them, but I dont want.
My allow.list restrict all Packages, which I wont see

[rtificial]

Thanks.

I've set my I: to 2 now, which makes me realize I need to enforce my network a bit more ;-)

[hanswurscht]

Thanks.

I've set my I: to 2 now, which makes me realize I need to enforce my network a bit more ;-)


Of course it makes a big Difference in getting Cards ;)
with 03 you get maybe 200 Cards and on 02 there are only 60 Cards for example.

But better 60 quality as 200 most bad Cards.
And then enforce for your prefered Provider, yes

So you get over Month a perfect Network. CS is not a building in 2 Hours, it will never work

[hfmls]

don't add a peer just to add one more :)
add a quality one. and limit it to 60..80 peers. that's enough.
with I:2

and A2 A2 in every gline

[rtificial]

don't add a peer just to add one more :)
add a quality one. and limit it to 60..80 peers. that's enough.
with I:2

and A2 A2 in every gline

Of course, I only look for quality peers, and this maintenance is something I do at least once a week.

If I set the G-lines in my config to A2 A2, even though I received them as A3 or more, does that still have effect?

[hfmls]

yes.
u can even put A2 A1
to give share level two distances to your local. and your share only 1 distance.
i use a2 a2 and a2 a1
nothing more.

[hanswurscht]

yes.
u can even put A2 A1
to give share level two distances to your local. and your share only 1 distance.
i use a2 a2 and a2 a1
nothing more.

A2 A2 is not needed for all Cards, but you are right, if you have some NDS Cards.
I prefer A3 A3 and have no freezes, no Problems and a fine Network, which is running all the Time.
The more important Part is I:
If you think about a little bit longer, it should be clear that a Card which is coming over 4 Distance cant be working very well.

We are talking about milliseconds for ecms and then over 4 Routers/Boxes/Networks?

So I:03 "can" work, but must not, not for all Cards.
Cards like Sky NDS are very tricky(equal if Italy UK or Germany)
Sometimes, if you have Alternatives when your Provider has more then one Caid, you must block NDS for looking TV without freezes.

[hfmls]

no don't get confused with I:3 and a3 a3 :)

I:2 is what distance u want to receive


A2 A2 in each gline, is what distance u want to send to

[hanswurscht]

I know since near 10 Years :)

What I would say is, an NDS Card from Distance 3 couldnt work without freeze, so I:03 isnt a good Idea for NDS Cards