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The BBC is planning for some content of Freeview HD to encode. Only approved manufacturers of set top boxes would get the decoding keys. With this anti piracy measure, the BBC wants to prevent illegal copying.
Via Freeview digital TV the BBC spreads free without any form of DRM, including four HD channels. The signals are transmitted unencrypted and viewable with every compatible set-top box. This is not quite to the liking of some content owners who want to see HD content encrypted.
Because of the license it is not authorized to encode the signal. The BBC has another solution: the program lists will be encoded. A set top box needs these lists to operate. Only makers of set top boxes that comply with the requirements for DRM, can get the decoding keys. The BBC has asked to telecoms regulator Ofcom consent for the requested encryption. Ofcom will consider an answer, so reports the BBC.
so they dont mind us recording the HD from freesat then? wtf
Freesat is in place, could be the next step, all having to nbuy new equipment again. Tendency is you could only record when the provider allows this, limiting:
how many times you can view the recording (x3, x2, x1)
the period in time (week(s), day(s))when you can view the recording on your recorder.
decide when to remove this content from your recorder
you will have to pay more to view your pay-tv content ...
TonyO
10-10-2009, 01:07 PM
The BBC could also take a kick back from set top manufacturers for allocating their box to the decode list, another stich up on the way !
The beeb gan go and take a jump.
skem4
10-10-2009, 01:37 PM
they must need the money paying all these high salaries out
boxspanner 2002
10-10-2009, 01:42 PM
We should all boycott BBC they are going the same route as It*
i thought better of them till now
Lets start a poll what do you think of them, hopefully
some bigwig at BBC might read this and see the error
of their ways....
Ex BBC Viewer..
mrbleu500
10-10-2009, 03:35 PM
It's not the beeb's fault, it's the hollywood movie studios and other content owners putting pressure on them to protect their HD programmes.
Shame they caved in this time, but don't blame the beeb...
only decent independent TV station in Europe! they should not let them pressure by Hollywood or politicians. Have you ever watched Fox news? Where is Sky News Ireland now? Be aware when media moguls have control of the media (Berlusconi, Murdoch, ...) dangerous people in control!!!!
Grayman
10-10-2009, 04:46 PM
Well if this is true then the BBC should be a private company and WE should not have to pay a Licence Fee (or in other words TAX).
The BBC is one big fat cat!! these days they have more staff than sainsburys, just count how many budding new faces you spot on BBC news every day(tomorrows well paid celbs with nowt between their ears).
It's time this country had more choice, besides you know who and the beeb, one has the monopoly Pay over the odds take it or leave it the other is Hand over your money or get fined.....Some Free land we live in...
The Big switch to Digital TV..eh...more like the Big Stitch up
"I'm not young enough to know everything." ...lol
nobbystyles
10-10-2009, 04:55 PM
We should all boycott BBC they are going the same route as It*
i thought better of them till now
Lets start a poll what do you think of them, hopefully
some bigwig at BBC might read this and see the error
of their ways....
Ex BBC Viewer..
Better still, write a letter to the Daily Mail.
That'll teach them.
bonovox
10-10-2009, 05:01 PM
Yeah lets buy new equipment so we can watch Jane Eyre in HD and about 6 other programmes per week! Yeah fuc# u BBC u bunch of overpaid gluttonous dic#heads!!!!!:rolleyes:
Graham7
10-10-2009, 05:26 PM
What I think that might happen when all off them do switch to digital they will get ride off the TV lic and encryption and you will have to buy a cam or card for it. No way off not paying that way unless it gets crack. This is just what I think myself.
Don't forget BBC is big commercial to the world, brings in a lot of business and contracts to the UK. It is an institution, If you finish that or give it to private interests: big loss to the UK. In Belgium everything is nearly privatized: sold to the French: water, electricity, bank, ... very bad idea. Would be like loosing your Queen and having a the French or Italian president to say all in UK. Your license is cheaper then paying Sky sub is it not?
Graham7
10-10-2009, 05:42 PM
Don't forget BBC is big commercial to the world, brings in a lot of business and contracts to the UK. It is an institution, If you finish that or give it to private interests: big loss to the UK. In Belgium everything is nearly privatized: sold to the French: water, electricity, bank, ... very bad idea. Would be like loosing your Queen and having a the French or Italian president to say all in UK. Your license is cheaper then paying Sky sub is it not?
Would not get Sky.
Sky starter £18.50 a month
Sky+HD with Sky world £57.25 a month
It's not the beeb's fault, it's the hollywood movie studios and other content owners putting pressure on them to protect their HD programmes.
Shame they caved in this time, but don't blame the beeb...
so how can hollywood expain all the fta terrestrial hd channels in the US?
guess its ok to be fta as long as the hd pq is dog ****.
Itv hd = dog **** pq
bbc hd = on its way to being dog **** pq (bitrates are not what they used to be and its starting to show)
TOWER
12-10-2009, 12:23 AM
BBC HD quality is being reduced on satellite so it won't look worse on terrestrial,but of course they won't admit it.
goran
12-10-2009, 12:50 AM
Och, the UK is becoming, day-in, day out - America Light... more and more!!!!!!!!!!:beatdeadhorse5: :beatdeadhorse5: :beatdeadhorse5:
aecpaecp
13-10-2009, 06:47 PM
there is almost naff all on BBSHD on freesat and its noty got any better since last december [2008] when i got mt my pana 50" inc freesat. The whole HD thing is a scam - what about loads of 'hd ready' tvs not going top be able to decode future hd programmes from uk broadcasters - they are likely to need another stb. As for s*y - well naff off with you crazy prices - never had it and never will:banghead:
mrbleu500
10-11-2009, 02:18 PM
According to Wotsat, Ofcom told the BBC to naff off, they can't encrypt the Freeview HD stuff :respect-048:
Yeeeeehaaaaaa :respect-013:
Detlef
10-11-2009, 04:36 PM
Without the BBC you'd have 21 minutes of adverts per hour like in the USA. Frankly, I find TV in the USA almost unwatchable due to the continual breaks. The Yanks love it as they only have 15 minute attention spans, hence all their sport has little burst of activity then a huddle (US Football, baseball, and even motor racing, etc).
And as MrBlue stated, "It's not the beeb's fault, it's the hollywood movie studios."
And who owns one of the largest Hollywood Studios ? I'll give you a clue, it is called Fox.
goran
11-11-2009, 02:21 AM
Now they do. But they acquired it only recently. They never produced anything until they bought it. And their production is the same as everything else they do - ****e and bog standard... Kitsch galore, no brain activity needed, right wing and hence - dangerous!
sheild 10
11-11-2009, 02:29 AM
Well if this is true then the BBC should be a private company and WE should not have to pay a Licence Fee (or in other words TAX).
The BBC is one big fat cat!! these days they have more staff than sainsburys, just count how many budding new faces you spot on BBC news every day(tomorrows well paid celbs with nowt between their ears).
It's time this country had more choice, besides you know who and the beeb, one has the monopoly Pay over the odds take it or leave it the other is Hand over your money or get fined.....Some Free land we live in...
The Big switch to Digital TV..eh...more like the Big Stitch up
"I'm not young enough to know everything." ...lol
i agree with you on this matter and as digital tv well that only working on 10% power dont go full power to 2012 i seen better standard picture than the bbc hd / and how much do these film star want to make greed bas tards like you said something has to be done as these people are damm thiefs:beatdeadhorse5::banghead:: respect-057::18:
holmroad
12-11-2009, 12:03 PM
I agree re most of above about BBC and that HD should ALWAYS remain as FTA - but regarding current content, it doesnt compare with the total LACK of content on ITV HD - or even Channel 4 HD which actually shows very little HD content on its 'HD' channel - so slag THEM off too if you are having a go at the BBC?:respect-067:
i take it from these posts that we can stll record in sd, so dont bother me.:puke:
sheild 10
12-11-2009, 04:44 PM
I agree re most of above about BBC and that HD should ALWAYS remain as FTA - but regarding current content, it doesnt compare with the total LACK of content on ITV HD - or even Channel 4 HD which actually shows very little HD content on its 'HD' channel - so slag THEM off too if you are having a go at the BBC?:respect-067:
first of all you dont pay a tv licence for chanel 4 or itv the bbc are just milking the system just like that other big fat company who pay alot of money to but still they show advert . but the problem is that the people in this country dont fight for their rights any more me i dont even watch the bbc itv chanel 4 they only show *** and violence and most of what they show are rubbish or old film that where made when the roman was running the country:rant::beatdeadhorse5::cus s:
paul362
12-11-2009, 04:59 PM
@ channel4 @least they have a full channel line-up so you can watch in HD or SD and get the same content (even if some programes are realy upscaled SD ones ! as far as ITV HD goes its just total sh*te there never anything on it, its more like a website holding page than a true channel, BBC hd is almost as bad as ITV when it comes to progrmes to watch (unless your into repeats) and the quility is sh*te too.
Grayman
14-11-2009, 03:20 PM
One other thing that stops me from watching BBC HD is the voice overs put into most of their output ...whats the idea behind this I just can't make sense of it !!!!!:banghead:
RABBY
06-12-2009, 02:57 PM
More Info [ Freeview HD ]
Today, the BBC has officially announced the launch dates for Freeview HD for each television region in the UK, starting with Manchester and London on December 2nd 2009. It is claimed that 50% of the UK population will be able to enjoy Freeview HD in time for the 2010 World Cup which also means that 1 in 2 of people reading this will be disappointed.
Read our updated article When will Freeview HD be available where I live? to see when you can expect to receive Freeview HD.
Despite the imminent launch, the UK public will not be able to watch Freeview HD using their existing TV and Freeview set-top-box as it makes use of updated compression technology to ’squeeze’ in that extra picture definition in to the signals received by existing TV aerials. To rub salt in the wounds of those who have been eagerly awaiting the arrival of Freeview HD, there won’t be any compatible Freeview HD set top boxes or Freeview HD equipped televisions until early in 2010, with Humax expected to be among the first-to-market. The new technology makes use of the DVB-T2 compression format and the UK is believed to be the first country in the world to make use of it.
The only glimmer of hope is that PC users with Windows Media Center may be able to receive Freeview HD without any additional hardware, but that has yet to be confirmed by Microsoft.
Wee might be able to get it with a PC???????:respect-050:
More Info Here:
_http://www.freeviewhdbox.co.uk/the-bbc-publishes-freeview-hd-rollout-schedule/
Graham7
06-12-2009, 03:45 PM
My TV says HD ready does this mean that it will work or not with HD.
RABBY
06-12-2009, 03:49 PM
Graham7
My TV says HD ready does this mean that it will work or not with HD.
You will have to Bye a FreeviewHD Box m8 ?? :nopity: Should be in the shops quite soon !!!!
Other option is what I posted ???
[ The only glimmer of hope is that PC users with Windows Media Center may be able to receive Freeview HD without any additional hardware, but that has yet to be confirmed by Microsoft. ]
Graham7
06-12-2009, 03:53 PM
Graham7
You will have to Bye a FreeviewHD Box m8 ?? :nopity: Should be in the shops quite soon !!!!
Other option is what I posted ???
[ The only glimmer of hope is that PC users with Windows Media Center may be able to receive Freeview HD without any additional hardware, but that has yet to be confirmed by Microsoft. ]
Thanks for that.
Nelbert
06-12-2009, 07:57 PM
One other thing that stops me from watching BBC HD is the voice overs put into most of their output ...whats the idea behind this I just can't make sense of it !!!!!:banghead:
The voice over is Descriptive Audio, for the visually impaired. If you're hearing it you're only using the stereo audio stream not the DD stream.
Not sure if there is a stereo audio stream without Descriptive Audio for BBC HD (********* only list 2 audio streams), as I just use the DD channel and until my AV Amp comes back let the Sat receiver downmix it to stereo.
To get rid of it, just select the DD stream in your receiver.
turk3y
06-12-2009, 11:56 PM
I dont see why they should not encrypt the video and then only issue cards to licence fee payers, most box's have ci slots so there is no reason to replace what you already have depending on what they do.
I cant emagine they will be allowed to alter freesat, or atleast alter it in a way that affects the user any more than a update to the box.
as a note HD ready usually means its 720p and will accept a minimum of 1080i over hdmi, there are a few other things they need but basically its a minimum standard for "HD" branding on the tv and does not imply anything about what it can decode. As said you will need external decoder of some sort.
goran
07-12-2009, 12:48 AM
Free and encrypted do not go hand in hand.
It's not free, strictly speaking, as some have to pay for it but it is "free from encryption"...
Free in this sense also should mean "free from commercial ads", i.e. less 'bad' America [shi*e Hollywood] in our homes...:smash:
It also means some kind of freedom from Ruppie the Bears of this world and a little bit more of a democratic tango between parliamentary control within a certain charter guaranteeing some kind of editorial independence... Better by a million miles and deffo much more REALLY independent than Fox TV from Ruppie!!!!!!
And that would do for me!!!
:cheers2:
bonovox
07-12-2009, 03:45 AM
Ohhh crikey just read the HD launch schedule and my region will be getting it in 2011. Jesus what a joke!
Nelbert
07-12-2009, 11:55 AM
I dont see why they should not encrypt the video and then only issue cards to licence fee payers, most box's have ci slots so there is no reason to replace what you already have depending on what they do.
I cant emagine they will be allowed to alter freesat, or atleast alter it in a way that affects the user any more than a update to the box.
They can't encrypt the video streams as the license for broadcast prevents it. The video streams have to remain clear.
That why they want EPG encryption. Like they already have for FreeSat? The biggest side effect of EPG encryption for existing non-freeview approved DVB-T users changing to non-freeview HD approved equipment is the EPG will behave like it does on sat receivers. They don't need to change anything for FreeSat as if you use a non-certified box, without plugins, you don't get an EPG, just now and next, which also means things like Series link can't be supported and timer recording is next to useless.
Currently if you put a DVB-T card in a receiver or pc you can get a full 7 day epg. Whether extras like Series link work depend upon the software.
If the EPG gets encrypted then non-freeview HD approved receivers and pcs will end up with the equivalent of the sat now and next only. This will have zero effect on the majority of terrestrial viewers as they'll have Freeview HD receivers.
The minority who use their PC or non-approved receivers are the most affected. I pay my TV license so think it sucks I can't get full EPG using Freesat, but the BBC will make sure they fulfill their license obligations, which probably doesn't include providing a 7/8 day epg.
holmroad
07-12-2009, 01:01 PM
Many 'fully HD Ready 1080P' HD tvs currently have Freesat HD already built in (as well as Freeview) - e.g. Panasonic!:respect-055:
RABBY
08-12-2009, 08:26 PM
holmroad
Many 'fully HD Ready 1080P' HD tvs currently have Freesat HD already built in (as well as Freeview) - e.g. Panasonic
You are not getting the picture m8 ? Forget[ Freesat ] :woohoo-022:
Freeview HD ?? Needs another Decoder as it uses [ Freeview HD DVB-T2 tuner ]MPEG 4 using DVB2:respect-050:
So Basically Iff you want the New Freeview HD Channels ? ITV, BBC ,FIVE ECT ECT ?? Watch[ Emmerdale farm ect ect On HD ] You will need another Decoder
RABBY
08-12-2009, 08:33 PM
Humax are ment to the first for the new boxes ?? Think they are out Tommorrow :302:
http://regmedia.co.uk/2009/11/20/fox_hd_t2_freeviewhd.jpg
As its name suggests, the Fox-HD-T2 will feature an integrated DVB-T2 tuner, essential to pick up a Freeview HD signal. DVB-T2 is not compatible with the DVB-T system currently used for standard-definition Freeview broadcasts.
Freeview HD will begin transmitting from the Winter Hill site - serving Manchester and parts of Liverpool - and London's Crystal Palace transmitter on 2 December.
But at that point there will be no kit you can buy to watch the transmissions.
Admittedly Humax’s Freeview HD STB won’t be available to buy until “early 2010”, but the company will formally unveil the product on 9 December
RABBY
08-12-2009, 08:48 PM
So Basically ? Anyone thinking of Bying a New [ TV ] WAIT UNTILL NEXT YEAR ? THEY WILL COME WITH FREEVIEW HD BUILT IN :sifone:
Why do you think they are selling all the TV*s [VERY CHEAP ] In the UK The Now ?? GETTING RID OF OLD STOCK
Beware CHAPS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
face it, freeview hd is gonna be crap, bbchd 1440x1080i, itv 960x1080i both channels dont use enough bitrate to deliver a quality image on a decent size tv. I didnt buy a 1920x1080 screen to watch low res HD either. There bandwidth sucks on satellite, it will suck on terrestrial too.
I dont rate any HD on sat though so some might think its OK. but for me they can ram it.
BOOGIBEAR
05-03-2010, 09:33 PM
ime on the same page as you 3tv,whilst i love mi hd telly not because of the hd but because of the screen size,i watched the olymics on hd and sd,looked close to being same to me,it 's more about content for me,saying that i might get a sly hd box next year if i get a phone call of a good offer off em,only my opinion which is often flawed:respect-055:
manhatten
05-03-2010, 10:18 PM
I have a 42inch panasonic and a humax foxsat and to be honest there dose not seem to be any difference between itv and bbc SD & HD
I put this down to the upscaling of the humax,
In fact the wife says the same and tells me to go back to the SD channel because the HD channel has a extra logo on the screen.
man
xanadu
05-03-2010, 10:26 PM
In fact the wife says the same and tells me to go back to the SD channel because the HD channel has a extra logo on the screen.
man
Trouble is....the women have no interest in Football or HD, as all they care about is the colour of the curtains or what the logo looks like.....
Just ignore them.....they soon realise what is more important... :D
manhatten
05-03-2010, 10:46 PM
The only time we spend in the living room together watching tv is when there is football on,
man
filmfan46
06-03-2010, 04:21 PM
I have a 42inch panasonic and a humax foxsat and to be honest there dose not seem to be any difference between itv and bbc SD & HD
I put this down to the upscaling of the humax,
In fact the wife says the same and tells me to go back to the SD channel because the HD channel has a extra logo on the screen.
man
I have a 42" Panasonic plasma set by default to 1080p and an Az box again set on 1080p and my picture on BBC hd is noticeably better than on SD.
I have only recently set it up for HD but I am pleased with the picture.
I have not yet watched ITV hd so cannot comment on that.
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