nabilo and dreambox/azbox support

[hfmls]

Hi, i'm really sorry, but i missunderstood a conversation with nabilo, i mixed up some topics.

NABILO WON'T STOP DREAMBOX SUPPORT.
my bad.

azbox hd support won't emply dreambox support.
so both brands will have support. sorry.

[cescof]

Ok but the important is that it's true Nabilo support Azbox... can you confirm it??
Because in other italian forum someone tell us that's it's so difficult thinking for a Nabilo image for our azbox...
We'll waiting ...
Regards

[paul01609]

hope nabilo will work on this box

[hfmls]

yes that is 100% true!
nabilo will work in azbox hd sooner than u think.
they allready have all things necessary. now it's a clock game :)

if u go to nabilosat u can check his own words saying that they are starting support for azbox hd.

[bcrazynutter]

Ok but the important is that it's true Nabilo support Azbox... can you confirm it??
Because in other italian forum someone tell us that's it's so difficult thinking for a Nabilo image for our azbox...
We'll waiting ...
Regards

Nabilo said so on his website

[Aragos]

yes that is 100% true!
nabilo will work in azbox hd sooner than u think.
they allready have all things necessary. now it's a clock game :)

if u go to nabilosat u can check his own words saying that they are starting support for azbox hd.

But how is this possible? :eek:

I thought no one can make fw for Azbox HD except Opensat cause the sources are not public.
Did they sell it to Nabilo?

[hfmls]

sources are public now.

[Aragos]

sources are public now.

Wow! I hope this is good news! :respect-055:

Looks like Opensat can't handle it anymore and desperately made the sources public. lol

Hopefully we can expect now really good improvements for the Azbox HD in near future!

:respect-040:

[rtificial]

It;s too bad to see that now that Opensat lives up to the expectation of all to release sources (if they have, I have not seen the dvb sources yet), now people are starting to spread their thoughts that Opensat does this because they can't handle things anymore.
What's the basis of your impression? A lot of development is currently being done by Opensat, and the results of this show in the firmwares which are released regularly.
Of course, about the quality of what they deliver, discussion is possible ;)

[cescof]

It;s too bad to see that now that Opensat lives up to the expectation of all to release sources (if they have, I have not seen the dvb sources yet), now people are starting to spread their thoughts that Opensat does this because they can't handle things anymore.
What's the basis of your impression? A lot of development is currently being done by Opensat, and the results of this show in the firmwares which are released regularly.
Of course, about the quality of what they deliver, discussion is possible ;)

Yes, but it's always important for development of this box , have different team working on it...as it's for the other stb.
Why not..
Regards

[hfmls]

well has you can see, opensat coders are working hard in multicas and firmware. and i bet we will have more news next week too. :)

it's good to have alternative for us.

[zeini]

I think, nabilosat is only for sd.

[hfmls]

no.
they have azbox hd source code now. they will do a alternative firmware based in original firmware. so with all features included of course :)

u can comprove what i say in nabilo official forum, said by nabilo. admin.

[colla]

Don't expect to much ;)
That will be a Mod Image like NLB Images for IPBoxes
or the old AAF Images for UFS 910 based on the Marusys ****

Nabilo has not more drivers than we ;)

The Nabilo Image will be a standard Image with integrated Webif an own Skin, Font and a few integrated plugins

But thy will not fix the picture quality or speed up menu switching and zapping ...

[hfmls]

we'll see.
but some subject shouldn't be talked here.
and yes they have much more then us! i talk to nabilo everyday. but he asked me not to post any more info in foruns. he would let us know when he wants to get info out.

believe me. they have all they need.
here is a list i created requesting bug fixing and feature request:

they will use that as an objective point and to guide themselves:

Remove USB and NETWORK speed limitation
improve and update all media center codecs so we can have a XBMC lookalyke media center support
Remove Openxcas if possible (it would improve zapping a lot)
Implement all EPG from every satelites and organized, like dreambox maybe
Put a channel list like dreambox, channels, what's the currant program in that time in front of channel, and epg resume.
Include wireless keyboard drivers
Include external card reader drivers
Make a "skin maker" for skinners
Improve web interface and make stream to PC
Possibility to record a channel while in media center watching a movie.
Native CCCAM if possible. It's mips so it shouldn't be that hard (i think)
Automount ext2,ext3 etc etc partitions and USB
Include Firefox as Browser? if possible
Try to improve zapping speed
In channel list we have to press Ok two times to choose channel and channel list disapear, one time should be enough
Fix strange bugs with HDMI sound in philips,lg, etc. (no sound)
Add Blindscan
add interface for recording to PC share
add an option in interface so we can choose (if we have an usb stick or hdd) the amount of cache for streaming movies from network to media center. (example: if i want to watch a 1080p mkv via wireless, i should use a high cache,buffer, so the movies doesn't stop or jumps parts) azbox hd could have the possibility to use usb or hdd memory to temp the cache buffer.
Add covers for media folders (like XBMC)
improve music player
add flash support for browser
add full satelite list, and transponders
allways up to date go go list (premade channel lists ready to use, downloadable via menu)
deinterlace method for media center and TV channels like XBMC high quality pixel shader v2 (if possible) awsome upscale and quality
add a permanent samba file server
create http streaming app like myihome server, to improve movie player performance

[colla]

Hrhr
thats your nice to have wish list

But wishes and reality
that are two totaly different things

To implement some of that features
nabilo would need sources that not even opensat has

we will see ;)

[tinos]

If objective is to make it more Dreambox like... why spend time on OpenSat crappy sources... it will be faster to get Enigma2 running on this box.

OpenSat firmware doesn't support even real dual tuner, real plugins, real Picture in Picture... features already working on E2 images for other boxes... so why waste time? It took them forever to realize that its work was not enough Ok... lets wait until these new Teams realize how crappy it is and decide to go the E2 way... by them user will have other choices... hope! Cheaper and better HD boxes are probably around the corner... and Popcorn Hour Sigma chipset like AzBox is old news now...

[hfmls]

there's no need for enigma 2. you'll see. this firmware can do a lot more than it's doing.

[hfmls]

Hrhr
thats your nice to have wish list

But wishes and reality
that are two totaly different things

To implement some of that features
nabilo would need sources that not even opensat has

we will see ;)

most of the features are available in other software open source.
they just have to adapt it.
i'm not saying all goes like that list. but i do believe most of the stuff will be done.

[tinos]

Like dvbapi? we still don't have native CCcam running Ok... maybe remove OpenXCAS and provide native dvbapi to make other emus work?

Every time someone says to wait... I wait and nothing comes out... lets hope this is for real once again... wait... but no 1.0 but no 2xDVB-S2...

Anybody remembers when they were talking about BlueRay and HD-DVD support? wow... what a joke or what great marketing... we still don't have even decent mkvs with high bitrate or full 1080p from network...

Wonder why should I wait? Maybe because other boxes are not out yet... hope soon... at least sooner than E2 on this full of lies box!

[hfmls]

i understand, i'm pretty mad too in usb and network speed limitation. blueray is impossible! license costs thousands of dollards.

nabilo has great ideas and solution for cccam "problem"

[colla]

Thats the problem
the azbox firmware is not open source
not even the parts that are standing under the gpl license ;)

and to adopt features from other boxes
thats not possible
there are many arguments that are avoiding that ;)
like the azbox api


you are promissing features that are not realizable
and the effect will be that the azbox will be frustrated (more than now ;) )

[hfmls]

goos news is azbox hd original firmware is step by step integrating a part of new drivers (way way faster)

and we can see that and new image quality (my opinion much better) in new firmware.

so in next firmware maybe some more new drivers will be included. so finally all speed problems are fixed.

i'm happy with 3501 ...for now! gives me the patiance to wait a few more days :)

[colla]

blu-ray is not only a problem of licence costs

there exists no linux software blu-ray player
not even for pc with it's "endless" ressources (same problem on mac)

and the result is that no one can port and implement an player that not exists

[massimo1167]

we'll see.
but some subject shouldn't be talked here.
and yes they have much more then us! i talk to nabilo everyday. but he asked me not to post any more info in foruns. he would let us know when he wants to get info out.

believe me. they have all they need.
here is a list i created requesting bug fixing and feature request:

they will use that as an objective point and to guide themselves:

Remove USB and NETWORK speed limitation
improve and update all media center codecs so we can have a XBMC lookalyke media center support
Remove Openxcas if possible (it would improve zapping a lot)
Implement all EPG from every satelites and organized, like dreambox maybe
Put a channel list like dreambox, channels, what's the currant program in that time in front of channel, and epg resume.
Include wireless keyboard drivers
Include external card reader drivers
Make a "skin maker" for skinners
Improve web interface and make stream to PC
Possibility to record a channel while in media center watching a movie.
Native CCCAM if possible. It's mips so it shouldn't be that hard (i think)
Automount ext2,ext3 etc etc partitions and USB
Include Firefox as Browser? if possible
Try to improve zapping speed
In channel list we have to press Ok two times to choose channel and channel list disapear, one time should be enough
Fix strange bugs with HDMI sound in philips,lg, etc. (no sound)
Add Blindscan
add interface for recording to PC share
add an option in interface so we can choose (if we have an usb stick or hdd) the amount of cache for streaming movies from network to media center. (example: if i want to watch a 1080p mkv via wireless, i should use a high cache,buffer, so the movies doesn't stop or jumps parts) azbox hd could have the possibility to use usb or hdd memory to temp the cache buffer.
Add covers for media folders (like XBMC)
improve music player
add flash support for browser
add full satelite list, and transponders
allways up to date go go list (premade channel lists ready to use, downloadable via menu)
deinterlace method for media center and TV channels like XBMC high quality pixel shader v2 (if possible) awsome upscale and quality
add a permanent samba file server
create http streaming app like myihome server, to improve movie player performance

WoW!!!
May I add my personal request?
Improve playback in mediacenter: manage better second Audio languade and subtitle (now I'm not able).
:-)

There is an idea for the first nobilo unofficial beta release?
I means: 1 week (I don't beleave), 1 month, 2 month and so on...

[hfmls]

well i really can't talk about what i don't know. so i won't comment that. the thing i was told by openast admin was that implementing blueray player software or hardware would cost much € to acquire license.

but with alternative firmwares i bet we will get the ability to plug in external blueray player by usb :)

[hfmls]

WoW!!!
May I add my personal request?
Improve playback in mediacenter: manage better second Audio languade and subtitle (now I'm not able).
:-)

There is an idea for the first nobilo unofficial beta release?
I means: 1 week (I don't beleave), 1 month, 2 month and so on...

i don't really know.

gotta ask :)
you guys could ask too, in nabilo forum

[TheCrow]

there's no need for enigma 2. you'll see. this firmware can do a lot more than it's doing.

don't bull**** !!!!!!

[hfmls]

wow, nice post.
and 1rst one too.

[SAUS04]

don't bull**** !!!!!!

:rant:

Why do people feel the need to make comments like this.

cant believe people would choose these types of comments for their first post on this excellent forum .

Welcome The Crow this is a friendly forum.

If you disagree with anything a fellow forum member says please don't post responses such as bull**** bollox etc. if you disagree put an argument forward as to why you disagree

Thanks
:respect-050:

[rtificial]

I'm very happy to hear at least that there is an experienced team now working on alternative development. Even if it doesn't lead to anything useful in the short term, at least it will keep developers interest in this receiver, which is absolutely necessary to make it more successful.

I'm still very happy with my AZBox, I think it's probably one of the best this kind of money can buy you in this type of multimedia sat receivers.

Try not to give too much information Hfmls, it might frustrate or pressure this new team too much. Also, don't get the hopes up too high. ;)

[hfmls]

yes i know. my mouth is shut now.
allready sai sorry to nabilo admin :)
you know how it is. a guy gets excited with a new toy :P

[leerock]

i really can t believe that there are guys getting so angry about this box and all they do is bitching and bitching...
why don t you just sell it and buy a dream for 1000 with a lot less important features , just to have a stable cccam.....
that s ridiculous....

And stop talking about new boxes are coming and so on...
If you think that you ll get a new box at this price with all these features and a stable one, then you re just being immature and fooling yourself....

this box is promising a lot more features than it s price can justify (you all know it) and with the latest firms it s almost there....
all you have to do is a have a little more patience.....

replacing this great firmware with E2 would be the stupidest move...
it will block the ability of this box to evolve....

i personally don actually need all those new features hfmls wrote...
although they d be welcomed..

all i need right now is a stable cccam and a fix for that speed limitation.....
maybe a quicker menu response would be nice but e2 is slow too
so maybe that s much to ask...

nabilo's involvement is great news and it will help A LOT in this box's improvement....
they ll show what s this box can really do....

so just have a little patience and stop bitching around coz you sound like a kid that just doesn't like it s ice cream...

[bcrazynutter]

i really can t believe that there are guys getting so angry about this box and all they do is bitching and bitching...
why don t you just sell it and buy a dream for 1000 with a lot less important features , just to have a stable cccam.....
that s ridiculous....

And stop talking about new boxes are coming and so on...
If you think that you ll get a new box at this price with all these features and a stable one, then you re just being immature and fooling yourself....

this box is promising a lot more features than it s price can justify (you all know it) and with the latest firms it s almost there....
all you have to do is a have a little more patience.....

replacing this great firmware with E2 would be the stupidest move...
it will block the ability of this box to evolve....

i personally don actually need all those new features hfmls wrote...
although they d be welcomed..

all i need right now is a stable cccam and a fix for that speed limitation.....
maybe a quicker menu response would be nice but e2 is slow too
so maybe that s much to ask...

i believe now that nabilo took the wheel we ll see many improvements very fast....

so just have a little patience and stop bitching around.. jesus


HEAR HEAR! :respect-046:

[colla]

As paying customers we have the right to complain about what we have bought ;)
Selling it would result in loosing money

And of course you are very arrogant, trying to convince someone that everything is fine with that box
if hundreds of users are complaining for buggy and missing features

And do you really think that because you don't need the features someone else has written you are the center of the world?
and as a result, all other users also don't have to need them?

Or in other words
do you really think they are all wrong and you are the only one thats right?

I can post you a bug list for the azbox that is much longer than hfmls feature wish list ;)

[bcrazynutter]

Don't know about everyone else's personal experiences but when I bought this receiver I bought it knowing quite well that it was in beta stage. In fact, I bought from the sponsors of this site who quite clearly advertised the fact.

[hfmls]

i did that too. and i was surprised by the way it evolved. i like it a lot.
when i bought it i that it was worse.
but now is pretty good for what i use. media center and mbox :)

[leerock]

As paying customers we have the right to complain about what we have bought ;)
Selling it would result in loosing money

complaing and bitching are 2 different things my friend :-)


And of course you are very arrogant, trying to convince someone that everything is fine with that box
if hundreds of users are complaining for buggy and missing features

did i say everything is fine?
All i said is that with the latest firms is almost there


And do you really think that because you don't need the features someone else has written you are the center of the world?
and as a result, all other users also don't have to need them?
Or in other words
do you really think they are all wrong and you are the only one thats right?

i was speaking as the average user my friend and not the only user
i posted what are the most important fixes this box should have and what 99% of users wish and like to be resolved



I can post you a bug list for the azbox that is much longer than hfmls feature wish list ;)

yes i know you can do that but pls make sure to be important ones
you see....
You just cant buy a new ferrari for 10000 and bitching all the time coz it doesnt have a glove box :-)

this box is supposed to be a sat receiver and multimedia center all in one
the basic functions work pretty nice at the moment....
Much better than what i thought when i was buying this box knowing it s in beta stage....

You see...
There are people that even all their wishes come true,
they ll find sth else to bitch about :-)

[hfmls]

nabilo admin:

We are not working on azbox firmware at moment .. and as i say
we will try to take a look and study the azbox reciever and maby we can do somthing but no promises .. .. ...
when will be a stable drivers / cvs and public .. you will see many teams working on azbox

The current Azbox firmware situation is not the best and the sources are absolutely unuseful and incomplete. They have so many problems in engineering part of drivers and hardware parts (conflicts with wireless, pvr bugs, tuners managments, Common Inteface issues, tuner configurations.. and so on..). So, i am sorry but we can't do nothing for Azbox at the present.
We can't make this work, we are not an eletronic company productor with money and human resources.

there is a lot of work for azbox software and hardware enigneers
PLEASE TO ALL GIVE TO THE AZBOX ENGINNERS SOME TIME TO FIX IT
AND WILL BE THE TOP OF LINUX RECIEVER

I created the azbox planet for that members give more attention to this great recievers
we hope that we can doe somthing for this STB but there is a lot of work on first place for AZBOX ENGINNERS
when will be somthing official form nabilosat team for azbox , you will found it here ...........SO PLEASE STOP SPAMING US WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT AZBOX NABILOSAT FIRMWARE DEVELOPEMENT

THANK YOU ALL FOR READING THIS

NABILOSAT ADMIN TEAM
^^ NABILO ^^

[passete]

i understand, i'm pretty mad too in usb and network speed limitation. blueray is impossible! license costs thousands of dollards.

nabilo has great ideas and solution for cccam "problem"

Here the problem of Bluray :

"it is a software issue, but not only on Dreambox, at the moment there are no Drivers for Linux (even not on PC) available - nobody can realy say how long this will last."

[colla]

So at the end there will be no Nabilo Image ;)

And the reason is ;)
exactly what i have written yesterday


So much about having all drivers
and that the firmware is almost fine

And now read what Nabilo has written
but please slowly
There you have the answer about the box, told you by someone with know how ;)

[tinos]

People that complain about our comments have just recently bought the box and think everything posted is true (by OpenSat marketing Team).

We complain because we have the box since March and know how this AzBox really works... same similar features were already working like today in May/June timeline... and none of the promises has come really true.

All is half implemented, half working, nothing really finished like the firmware...

You get what you paid for... in my case I made a mistake... and now you cannot sell this bull**** box for a good price with unfinished firmware... that is why!

[PieFacE]

Gutted about Nabilo!

From what Nabilo said, guess it will never fully work!

[tinos]

Only solution is for OpenSat to release source so Engima2 can run on this box... crappy firmware won't do... all other info is just false hopes and marketing stuff from wrong people.

We users did what we could even a request for release of GPL code... but nothing... hopeless.

For this box is E2 or soon to be forgotten as another scam...

[hfmls]

well...nabilo said it's a matter of engineering. it has to be improved. but it will get there.

i'm for everything now.
come enigma 2. at least you'll get everything moving :)

[chrissat]

Bubble well and truly burst.

Nabilosat produce my favourite images. For a moment I was i dreamland thinking they were about to produce an image for the Azbox. :redface:

[lazo]

People that complain about our comments have just recently bought the box and think everything posted is true (by OpenSat marketing Team).

We complain because we have the box since March and know how this AzBox really works... same similar features were already working like today in May/June timeline... and none of the promises has come really true.

All is half implemented, half working, nothing really finished like the firmware...

You get what you paid for... in my case I made a mistake... and now you cannot sell this bull**** box for a good price with unfinished firmware... that is why!

I agree with you . Opensat understand that they can.t improve this crappy firmware and hardware . they just get extra times with using nabilosat team name . opensat still couldn.t fix the simplest bugs . They release some beta firmwares for betatesters . Some beta fw leaked . But who are these betatesters ? what is the test method ? because the simplest bugs still exist . There is no need to be beta tester to see these bugs . I don.t believe opensat . They just release lies .

[zeini]

Hi lazo!

I'm a beta tester. And i can say you, that all bugs are reported by the beta testers to Opensat. The beta testers are not able to fix the bugs. We only can reporte the bugs to Opensat.
And last Firmware 0.9.3501 was leaked, before the official beta testers have it in their own hands.

[lazo]

after adding some channels to the favorite if you want to remove a channel from favorites it can.t remove . if you choose some channels to move in favorites an error occured message display an the receiver reboot itself .
if you select network scan enable in astra 19e and scan 19e . after scanning 19e tplist becomes crazy . if you restart it is ok again .
scanning with network search option any sat . it can found channels . but when you go to somechannels you can see no signal message . after this if you control the tp information of this channel . you can see that tp information is wrong . if you edit the tp with valid values you can view channels .

this bug is exist in every fw . please check it . So they fix what ? I don.t believe they care us .

[hanswurscht]

a Word to Blindscan, sorry Guys, but Hardware must support this Features and AZHD doesnt
So you can have 10 Nabilo or anything else, not one of them will have a Blindscan.

Guys are writing here some Hopestories and not the Truth.

Of course a Devteam can try to make an alternative Firmware, but they also need 9-12 Month to build it.
So please dont tell the Users Storys about late future, and again, some maybe,perhaps, to a later Time and so on.

You can trust me, there wont be any Nabilo in 2009 and maybe also not up to 7/2010 with HD, DTS and the Rest.

I always read a lot of Hopestorys in some Boards but nothing about Fixes for Basicfeature of this Box.
Opensat should fix all Basicfunctions first and then they can play with Things like IPTV and other Playtoys

[feedme]

a Word to Blindscan, sorry Guys, but Hardware must support this Features and AZHD doesnt
So you can have 10 Nabilo or anything else, not one of them will have a Blindscan.

Guys are writing here some Hopestories and not the Truth.

Of course a Devteam can try to make an alternative Firmware, but they also need 9-12 Month to build it.
So please dont tell the Users Storys about late future, and again, some maybe,perhaps, to a later Time and so on.

You can trust me, there wont be any Nabilo in 2009 and maybe also not up to 7/2010 with HD, DTS and the Rest.

I always read a lot of Hopestorys in some Boards but nothing about Fixes for Basicfeature of this Box.
Opensat should fix all Basicfunctions first and then they can play with Things like IPTV and other Playtoys

The funny thing is , alot of steam has been used to get CS , with the same energy and resouces, even external ones ?, the basics would be in much more better condition.

When keeping usage simple , the current fw is reasonable for S2/T setup I have, but the development from may/june has been somewhat snail like.

[hanswurscht]

Take a look at nabilo, they now say:

Team Coders Nabilo not run Image for AZbox !!

[sofrenic]

We are not working on azbox firmware at moment .. and as i say
we will try to take a look and study the azbox reciever and maby we can do somthing but no promises .. .. ...
when will be a stable drivers / cvs and public .. you will see many teams working on azbox

The current Azbox firmware situation is not the best and the sources are absolutely unuseful and incomplete. They have so many problems in engineering part of drivers and hardware parts (conflicts with wireless, pvr bugs, tuners managments, Common Inteface issues, tuner configurations.. USB . EPG .. NETWORK.external . INTERNAL CARD READER DRIVER and so on..). So, i am sorry but we can't do nothing for Azbox at the present.
We can't make this work, we are not an eletronic company productor with money and human resources.

there is a lot of work for azbox software and hardware enigneers
PLEASE TO ALL GIVE TO THE AZBOX ENGINNERS SOME TIME TO FIX IT
AND WILL BE THE TOP OF LINUX RECIEVER

I created the azbox planet for that members give more attention to this great recievers
we hope that we can doe somthing for this STB but there is a lot of work on first place for AZBOX ENGINNERS
when will be somthing official form nabilosat team for azbox , you will found it here ...........SO PLEASE STOP SPAMING US WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT AZBOX NABILOSAT FIRMWARE DEVELOPEMENT

THANK YOU ALL FOR READING THIS

NABILOSAT ADMIN TEAM
^^ NABILO ^^

Respect

[xanadu]

We are not working on azbox firmware at moment .. and as i say
we will try to take a look and study the azbox reciever and maby we can do somthing but no promises .. .. ...
when will be a stable drivers / cvs and public .. you will see many teams working on azbox

The current Azbox firmware situation is not the best and the sources are absolutely unuseful and incomplete. They have so many problems in engineering part of drivers and hardware parts (conflicts with wireless, pvr bugs, tuners managments, Common Inteface issues, tuner configurations.. USB . EPG .. NETWORK.external . INTERNAL CARD READER DRIVER and so on..). So, i am sorry but we can't do nothing for Azbox at the present.
We can't make this work, we are not an eletronic company productor with money and human resources.

there is a lot of work for azbox software and hardware enigneers
PLEASE TO ALL GIVE TO THE AZBOX ENGINNERS SOME TIME TO FIX IT
AND WILL BE THE TOP OF LINUX RECIEVER

I created the azbox planet for that members give more attention to this great recievers
we hope that we can doe somthing for this STB but there is a lot of work on first place for AZBOX ENGINNERS
when will be somthing official form nabilosat team for azbox , you will found it here ...........SO PLEASE STOP SPAMING US WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT AZBOX NABILOSAT FIRMWARE DEVELOPEMENT

THANK YOU ALL FOR READING THIS

NABILOSAT ADMIN TEAM
^^ NABILO ^^

Respect

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