5.1 cinema and sly??

[keith mawer]

hiya ,, hope someone can assist..
am getting a new hd tellie/as they say home cinema this week ,,
in order for sly to be in 5.1 sound does the optical lead that seems to be required ... go from sly to the dvd player( optical socket ) or from the sly to the television ( opitical ) socket

finally assume its dvdplayer to television hdmi
sly to television hdmi,( also)

[skomedal]

What amplifier have you got?

5.1 sound is the same as surround sound..

I have optical from hummy to yamaha rx-v1700 amp ( ca. £1000 ) with 5 speakers ( if I had 7 speakers then 7.1 sound )and an active sub woofer, the hummy is connected to the telly with a hdmi cable.

So hd piccy on the telly hd and true surround sound from the amp

Regards

[keith mawer]

hi sko medal , i am using the 5.1 home cinema as the amp.
not a seperate amp ...

i assume i was to understand the 5.1 ( unlike the dolby prologic i have right now).
is sound comes from diffrent speakers, ie left/right/centre and rear left/right?

[skomedal]

hi sko medal

Taking the p"ss again NO MORE HELP FROM ME!!!!!!!!:beatdeadhorse5:

[keith mawer]

a pity you are always .. REPEAT ALWAYS angry with the human race...
shout... argue... never polite and use words that are not needed .... quite unpleasant,

you must lead a sad life if a gap is in the name sko medal when should be skomedal
i think there are more issues in life to be concerned with than that!!!

[skomedal]

I read your post on another thread stating sko medal where you stated I did not deserve a medal, before it was deleted on that thread...

I did not take umbrage to that post nor did I try to get it removed...

My username is " skomedal " not sko or sko medal if you cannot respect that then stop posting useless threads/posts asking for HELP,,,

Politeness/respect costs nothing..

Only get angry with I DIOTS !!!!!!!!!!




Sort it out yourself!!!!!!!

[keith mawer]

i have already and its not just me your rude and abrubt to ,, its many board members

politeness and respect is something you DONT know and i wont be intimedated thank you

[noff]

just to clarify the optical lead does not go into the tv.

It goes from the sly box to the amp (or whatever else it is your 5 speakers and sub are connected to, should be an amp though).

@skomedal, let rip kid! I have felt like doing it many times.

[keith mawer]

thanks noff appreciate your info ,, will put the optical lead then from the sly receiver to the dvd player optical

[noff]

thanks noff appreciate your info ,, will put the optical lead then from the sly receiver to the dvd player optical

Mate the optical on the dvd will be an audio out, not in.

Now unless your dvd player has a built in amp, where you can connect all your speakers and sub to I doubt this will work.

See if u can get a jpeg or something of the back of the player and post it on here so I can see.

BTW I see you are allergic to the thanks button, lol.

[simon 2003]

My username is " skomedal " not sko or sko medal if you cannot respect that then stop posting useless threads/posts asking for HELP,,,

!!!!!!!
i dont see where he has specifically asked you for help,why should he stop they are not useless to him,if you dont want to help dont ,he obviously annoys you as he has several times previously yet you still respond,i dont think hes taking the piddle ,so what he has abbreviated your forum name ,big deal,just a nuetral observation

usercp>edit ignore list>username....

[keith mawer]

noff.. i phoned LG today and told them i am getting a lg tellie and home cinema. according to him it will work ( sly and 5.1) with the dvd player on.+ optical lead. . although i accept your point ,, WILL have to see em,

simon i always try to be polite and if i mistype a name its my fault ,,.
but there are too many bigger problems in life to worry about and if someone spelt my name wrong , i could not care a dam!

[gbmitie]

You have me confused. Also the optical out from a sky box is not the most reliable but if thats all it has then so be it.

Look at it this way. The DVD player has optical out ie it outputs so connecting sky to it will not work.

No point in getting off on the wrong front and things not working.

You should have a SKY HD box , say the make, A HD tv, say the make and model, a dvd player, say the make and model, then an amp that can take a lead from the dvd player, either HDMI or optical or coax for DD5.1 sound.

Say make and model of amp/receiver.

If I have totally misunderstood then ignore me but I am intrigued.

gb--

[noff]

Mate you the most confusing set up ever, lol.

What the hell have you bought exactly. Is it a tv? A sound system?

From what you describe at the moment it sounds like you have bought the following

A TV of some nature
A dvd player
5 speakers
A sub woofer
An amp.

Werent they suppose to fit it for u today?

[xanadu]

noff.. i phoned LG today and told them i am getting a lg tellie


I thought you said you had ordered a Toshiba?

Have you even ordered anything at all? :beatdeadhorse5:

[simon 2003]

dvd homecinema all in one ,can see noff's confusion wil be optical in on the rear,

[keith mawer]

ok the tv is a 47 lgh5000 , it came as a package ie lg tv/lg home cinema 5.1 ( 2 front/2 rear /centre + subwoofer,,,,
well if its 5.1 have to assume THE DVD PLAYER AND a correct dvd film in 5.1 will work!!!
my question was really will the sly hd receiver ( getting monday) work in 5.1 if a particular programme is broadcast in 5.1!! i actually thought using a dvd player as the amp it would,,,,,
so may be a optical lead was £40 waste of money!!!
seems skomedal spent about £1000 on a amp box and i dont want another box!!!

its a pity really as i would have thought someone has a dvd player connected to sly& works. in 5.1
OH WELL MAY BE I HAVE LOST THE WILL to live.

[Giga]

How can I get Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound with HD?

Many HD programmes are broadcast in stunning Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound, delivering top quality audio to accompany your HD picture. In order to immerse yourself in surround sound, you'll need a compatible home cinema system. Don't worry if you don't have one – you'll still experience the same amazing picture quality of high definition and stereo sound.

rumour has it you need to connect the Thompson skybox HD with the optical cable as the HDMI only passes dolby 2.0 and not 5.1.

and please stop picking on other users!

[noff]

its a pity really as i would have thought someone has a dvd player connected to sly& works. in 5.1
OH WELL MAY BE I HAVE LOST THE WILL to live.


Mate you dont get what we are saying, a 5.1 system must have an amp!

Now where do u plug your speakers into? That will be your amp and that will be where you put your sky optical.

[noff]

rumour has it you need to connect the Thompson skybox HD with the optical cable as the HDMI only passes dolby 2.0 and not 5.1.

and please stop picking on other users!



All the hdmi will do is pas the sound to your telly, and in turn your tv will project 2.0 sound.

[simon 2003]

dont tell me you spent 40 quid on an optical lead m8,you can get them for a fiver of the bay,,right lets put this to bed m8,is this your new 5.1 dvd/home cinema,if so (lg only make 2 and this is the cheaper one)http://www.currys.co.uk/product/500/UV/169237.jpg
so if you hdmi this to your tv,then when you get skyHD reciever use your other hdmi lead tv>sky then test,then try sky to homecinema with optical as said may only be dolby not 5.1




and please stop picking on other users!

what you on about,hes not picking on anyone,,kieth is a LONG TERM member here and if you have a problem PM a mod

[Giga]

what you on about,
the OP of this thread will know what this is about.

[simon 2003]

she has posted her problem didnt like her name abbrieviated,dont see how that calls for your comment,leave it to the OP if she has a problem use the moderators,,
i think keith has been treated unfairly in a few of his recent posts too,ok the tv choice was a bit of a grind but we all have different levels of understanding and no one is obliged to help or read threads if they dont want too

[Youngbootsy]

@ Keith Mawer-

I dont know if this will help but I have the following setup (it probably doesnt give you 5.1 though)
I have a sony 5.1 surround unit, what I have done is used the earphones output socket from my Samsung tv and connected directly to my sony 5.1 surround input jack (for external devices such as mp3 players etc) and selected 'inputjack' as the source.
Seems to work for me but im not too fussed about acheiving full 5.1 when watching sly.
I think I might look into the optical avenue if it does lend itself to 5.1!

Youngbootsy

[keith mawer]

OK Thanks everyone
att simon fab picture thats the one!! i will point this out to the guy ( when he arrives tomorrow)...
and to anyone whose name i typed wrong !! ************> sorry

[noff]

Right Keith lets put this to bed. If someone is setting up this system for you you just tell the mofo you want 5.1. The movie channels mostly carry this so it is important you have it connected properly. Also have a copy of Saving Private Ryan to hand, the opening scene when they are landing on the beaches is amazing in 5.1 and good to test system.

Now how do you rate the help you received on this thread from everyone, especially simon 2003 who went out of his way to get a picture for you, lol?
If you found it helpful get some cream on your allergy and use the "thanks" button. ROFLAO

[gbmitie]

At last now I understand. Make sure the guy selects dolby digital in the settings of the sky hd box. And beleive me sky does not transmit dolby digital over hdmi so dont believe him if he says so for a quite life. It should say on the display dolby digital when broadcast. the banner on the sky box for the movies will have DD in the prog synopsis!!

enjoy

gb--:respect-055:

[keith mawer]

many thanks today is D DAY!! so will see what happens

[simon 2003]

god help him :18::banghead:
http://media.obsessable.com/media/2008/10/29/zz549d1a74.jpg

[proteus]

Thats not Keith m8, he has got too much hair:cup-006:...........Regards N.

[gbmitie]

I am dying to find out what happened! And that pic above, that was me today, helping a freind with sky sat, tv coax, getting laptop to output to LCD screen!!! it was a nightmare.

cmon keith what happened?

gb--:confused:

[keith mawer]

hiya!!!!!!! ok my report ( hope typing is ok ) ... the guy from currys installed the lg tv and home cinema ,( was here ages!), thank goodness he did as its very tricky!! believe you me. especially the stand to the lg set,,,
ok onto facts ,, the home cinema is amazing , i put in casino royal and its all 5.1 quite breathtaking,, ALSO i wont get a blue ray now... the picture is upscaled to 1080 and would never get it clearer,,
OK TO THE MOANE!!! WHEN I AM ON SAY SLY( standard not hd) via scart,,, OR lets say digitv on 1w with my techomate via scart,, the sound only comes from THE TELEVISION,, so in other words dvds really good ,, anything else not so good!!
i checked the dvd player and it has a optical IN on it ,,, so do you think the sly hd receiver ( get monday) with a optical lead will work in 5.1 or the very least sound from the speakers rather than the television!!

[Gone_Fishing]

hiya!!!!!!! ok my report ( hope typing is ok ) ... the guy from currys installed the lg tv and home cinema ,( was here ages!), thank goodness he did as its very tricky!! believe you me. especially the stand to the lg set,,,
ok onto facts ,, the home cinema is amazing , i put in casino royal and its all 5.1 quite breathtaking,, ALSO i wont get a blue ray now... the picture is upscaled to 1080 and would never get it clearer,,
OK TO THE MOANE!!! WHEN I AM ON SAY SLY( standard not hd) via scart,,, OR lets say digitv on 1w with my techomate via scart,, the sound only comes from THE TELEVISION,, so in other words dvds really good ,, anything else not so good!!
i checked the dvd player and it has a optical IN on it ,,, so do you think the sly hd receiver ( get monday) with a optical lead will work in 5.1 or the very least sound from the speakers rather than the television!!

Yes

Stop calling it a dvd player because it only confuses things its an all in one surround system :rolleyes:

You probably have stereo analogue outs on your TV and stereo analogue in on your ALL IN ONE so you could have dolby surround sound from freeview or anything on screen including your techomate

This would all be in the manual and don't worry its probably has pictures ;)

Edit : looks like the tv only has optical out so if your all in one has two optical inputs you could use that or its also very likely one of your scarts on your tv also doubles as an output which you could use to get audio from your TV to your all in one so you could have dolby surround on normal viewing



TNT

[gbmitie]

Glad you got set up but you make it very difficult, there are quite a few technomate models so we cant check to see if the one you have has optical out??????:beatdeadhorse5:

as i said when sky gets installed the guy should know how to connect the optical and change settings in sky box.

If your technomate has optical out as well you can buy a switcher like this

http://www.amazon.co.uk/HQ-Optical-TOSlink-Port-Switch/dp/B000QRI2EI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1255128552&sr=8-1


good luck

please report back

gb--:respect-059:

[keith mawer]

thanks very much ,, well the home cinema has 1 optical , it says"optical in"... may be its wrong but until monday the lead is home cinema optical to tv optical,,,,
ALSO have TURNED THE TELEVISION SPEAKERS TO off IN THE LG audio menu,... its so stupid as basically all i want is the following!!
1, sly to work in 5.1 surround ( if there is a 5.1 broadcast!!)
so is it please ( when the sly installer arrives,) sky ( optical ) to home cinema optical?????also would a hdmi still be required for that
FINALLy my techo is only a 1500 . with scart lead.( does not have a optical socket)

[Gone_Fishing]

thanks very much ,, well the home cinema has 1 optical , it says"optical in"... may be its wrong but until monday the lead is home cinema optical to tv optical,,,,
ALSO have TURNED THE TELEVISION SPEAKERS TO off IN THE LG audio menu,... its so stupid as basically all i want is the following!!
1, sly to work in 5.1 surround ( if there is a 5.1 broadcast!!)
so is it please ( when the sly installer arrives,) sky ( optical ) to home cinema optical?????also would a hdmi still be required for that
FINALLy my techo is only a 1500 . with scart lead.( does not have a optical socket)

As I said your TV has an optical out and from what you have just said its going into the optical in on your all in one system which means all audio is coming from that instead of your TV which is why your TV speakers are off

You will not be able to keep it like this if you want sky HD in 5.1 because the optical out from your sky HD box will have to go into the optical in on your surround system, the HDMI from the sky box will go straight into your TV

So now anything other than sky HD will not have surround sound because your TV is no longer connected to your surround system by optical

If you want to keep your TV connected to your surround system so all audio comes from that instead of the TV speakers you will either have to use an Optical switcher like gbmitie posted or as I said its very likely one of your TV scarts acts as an output in which case you could use a scart to stereo phono lead, scart end in the TV phono into your surround

[keith mawer]

emmmm tnks wont raise the issue again ,,,,,

[simon 2003]

m8,raise whatever issue you like until your sorted,,,ive got that same optical switch ,works a treat,got my db 800,PS3,xbox360 ,in it

[canthackit]

i've been following this thread with great interest :banghead:

Keith what am i missing here, if i've read you right you've got a HDMI lead and a Scart cable connected the Sky box, is this correct? and if you have why?

i aint gunna regret this am i :respect-048:

regards: canthackit

[keith mawer]

BINGO ,,, i am sure everyone will be pleased to hear i have it working!!
ok , i sat down and had a bit of paper and planned the route!!
home cinema player to tv ...... hdmi lead
tv to sly receiver......................hdm i lead
sly receiver to home cinema player...... optical lead!!
now i get all dvds made in 5.1 with sound from 5 speakers
and sly tv when broadcast in dolby from all 5 speakers...
thats ware i went wrong not putting optical from the sly to the home cinema!!

ps the only scart i have now is from the techo 1500 to the tv!!!
until such time i decide on a techo 6900hd receiver via hdmi

phew!!!!

[Gone_Fishing]

FYI I checked the manual for your screen and the second scart AV2 is also an output and your surround system has stereo analogue inputs so you could have all audio from your screen through your surround system

So from freeview and your technomate you could have dolby II surround or anything that's on screen I'm assuming currently the sound for those is only coming from TV speakers ?

You would need a scart to 2x Phono


TNT

[simon 2003]

bit of paper lol,well done kieth,glad you got it sorted

[keith mawer]

ATT TNT SOS!!!!!!!!!!
sorry just read your interesting comments.. yes your so right as it stands now..
sly+ dvds are all comming in 5.1 when broadcast..
BUT my techo thats only connected by a scart AND free view( built into the lg tv) , i have to turn home cinema OFF and use television speakers!!!! to hear sound.
TNT.. I DID SEE TODAY in tesco a scart with 2 phono ATTACHED leads red + white . would you suggest then i put the scart into the techo 1500 and the 2 phono leads to back of the tv??
I DID TRY LAST NIGHT A SCART FROM THE TECHO 1500 AND 2 seperate phono leads red/white
from techo 1500 to tv but that didnt work ,, but they wer not joined type.

BIT CONFUSED WARE this would go . please confirm thats correct .. PLEASE REPLY ASAP..

[gbmitie]

what he means is you plug the scart into av2 on your tv and the 2 phono plugs to the surround sytsem. Then you have enusre when you watch the technomate that it outputs to av2 which it may do automatically.

You are almost there.

TNT will be back.

gbmitie

[Gone_Fishing]

As gbmitie said :)

AV2 on your screen is an output for all sources so if you get a scart to 2x phono you put the scart end in your screen AV2 and the phono the opposite end into your surround sound

The scart must be a scart one end and 2x phono the other

This is assuming I got the correct models on your setup so check your manual first, on your surround system just look round the back see if it has a free single red and white input which will be the one you need to select to get the sound when all is connected

Just checked and the surround system has two analogue audio in red and white side by side


TNT

[keith mawer]

many thanks ,, have written that down ,, will be off to the shop in morning( if it doesnt work i will just get refund) ..
i understand ,,,
so just to re confirm ,, my techo will keep scart to the av1 of the tv and a joined scart/phono from the tv av2 and the 2 phono lead ( red white) to correspoding slots in the ALL IN ONE,, TNKS

[Gone_Fishing]

many thanks ,, have written that down ,, will be off to the shop in morning( if it doesnt work i will just get refund) ..
i understand ,,,
so just to re confirm ,, my techo will keep scart to the av1 of the tv and a joined scart/phono from the tv av2 and the 2 phono lead ( red white) to correspoding slots in the ALL IN ONE,, TNKS

Correct, I'm not sure whether your need to make any adjustments in your screens menus to allow this or not it should tell you in the manual though

To select audio on the surround sound when connected it says this in the manual


Enjoying audio from an external source

You can enjoy audio from an external source through your unit.

Press INPUT repeatedly to select the desired input source. - AUX, AUX OPT, TV-AUDIO, PORTABLE, USB Digital Audio in connection


TNT

[keith mawer]

hiya,, thanks for your efforts TNT ,, i went to tesco last night ,, all they had was a scart/phono attached with 3 leads red/white/yellow...
the ALL IN ONE also had corresponding colours,, so inserted,,,
on the scart it had a small switch out/in and adjusted several times.
BUT pity again no sound came out of suround sound TO TECHO 1500 + freeview.
infact i spent 1 hour changing scarts etc but to no avail!!
i had a feeling this would not work actually , only because the techo 1500 had the scart from av1 to the tv av1 and a scart/phono from tv av2 to ALL IN ONE phonos
OF COURSE I COULD GET SOUND FROM SURROUND IF THE OPTICAL LEAD WENT FROM all in one TO TV,, but then i would loose sly/dvd..
May be i best wait until i decide on a techo 6900 that has a hdmi and a optical socket BOTH to to the tv sockets.. PS THE all in one IS SET TO AUX OPT.

[Gone_Fishing]

You must be missing a setting somewhere either on the TV or the surround or both you probably have to set what you want it to output

If you read your screen and surround manual it tells you this is possible so either your wrong or the manual is wrong and I'm pretty sure its not the manual, I've setup many screens exactly like this its a standard function on all screens I can guarantee its possible

If the scart you bought has a switch then this needs to be set as out

BTW AUX OPT stands for Auxiliary optical you not using optical for TV audio out you probably need it set to TV-AUDIO


TNT

[simon 2003]

theres always the sp/dif route (digital audio),,the 1500 has one,then you would get 5.1 out of the 1500,(correct me if im wrong)if you get this sp/dif to toshlink converter for a tenner (amazon)
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31cyxQrh1xL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

an rca lead ,a few quid (try kenable online store)
this toshlink splitter
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31ZXAg63bmL._SL500_AA280_.jpg
9 quid from amazon comes with 2 X tosh
then put rca lead from sp/dif from 1500 to converter ,tosh from converter to switch ,tosh from sky to switch ,then tosh switch to amp ,and a scart for video,that is what id do/did with my old echostar in similar cir***stances looks complex but simple really

[keith mawer]

tnks simon and tnt, i think to be honest a optical cable may help ... i only mention ( dont know) at the moment i have a optical sly to ALL IN ONE 5.1 comes out ,, REMOVE optical and it does not...
i think i admit defeat on this one ,, so will listen to the techo /free view via the tv speakers.

in a couple of weeks am getting a techo 6900 amd HOPE A HDMI TO TV AND MAY BE A OPTICAL TO TV (thats spare at the moment) WILL CURE THIS !!! emmm

[Gone_Fishing]

I think your finding things a bit confusing most connections are one way unlike scart which can be two way

If you connect a techomate 6900 using optical to your screen the audio will again be from your TV speakers because there's no audio out from your screen to your surround that's why your sky box connects to your surround direct

Unless you have an audio out from TV to your surround nothing you connect straight to your screen will have audio from your surround, the only other way to get audio from your surround is directly connecting to your surround like your sky box does, this is the problem with all in one systems they have limited connections

This is why I mentioned the other method because AV2 is a monitor out which means anything on screen is output from AV2 including audio

If you get an optical switcher then you can connect your TV, sky, techno 6900 directly into your surround assuming the switcher has 3 inputs


TNT

[keith mawer]

hiya ,, well this is a first. a optical switcher. any idea ware i may get one?????,,sounds a good idea..
i will get there in the end ,, have already had 3 refunds from tesco!!
so be honest what route do you suggest,,
1. from the techo 1500 to ware shall i put a lead...
any idea tnt nos 1.2.3 so i can get a grip of this!!

2. would a scart in the tv AV2 with ATTACHED 6 phono sockets into the audio of my home cinema do the trick ,, i did try with 3 phono leads didnt work ,but did not try with 6.

[Gone_Fishing]

1 - Post 34 of this thread optial switch, that will give you three optical inputs on your surround then anything with optical plugs straight into that

2 - No because the two audio ones would be exactly the same others would be redundant


TNT

[keith mawer]

ATT TNT.. ok well i have solved the problem ( well is better than what it was)..
i connected a scart from the techo 1500 to the television scart.
AND connected a scart from the techo 1500 to the euro scart in the home cinema all in 1
when i click on tv-audio ( on the all in 1) the sound now comes from the 2 speakers in DOLBY when broadcast,,,so wont bother with phones now...
in a few weeks will be getting a techo 6900 hd and at that point think i will then need a optical from the techo 6900 to a optical splitter & of course the hdmi to the tv.. [phew!!

AS for free view ,, well i dont use that much having sly hd , but will hear thwe sound from that on the tv speakers!!