New AZbox pwns my DM800 [Archive]

Dr Freeman

09-12-2009, 12:20 AM

Just got my used Premium up and running after just 2 hours (thanks to Goran et al.) at the weekend and I'm very happy with it. Had a DM800 for about 6 months and drove me crazy - it crashed all the time, couldn't manage more than 20min on a HD channel!

Alright all my gear is in a closed cupboard and gets pretty hot but none of my other sat boxes crashed that much and my HD cable box works just fine.

I much prefere the OSD on the AZ (didn't try the new HD skins for DM though)

Thank you... I've been lurking here until guys started say that they had a stable image and that connection to a cccam server was working ok then found a used Premium on e bay.

I have one question though, on the channel list screen there are 'tabs' at the top: satellite/genre/favs ect. How do I scroll through these tabs?

digihoe

09-12-2009, 12:25 AM

Push back a few times...

goran

09-12-2009, 12:27 AM

Exit button, 'till they are active/highlighted, then arrows sideways...:cool:

And you're very welcome!:respect-051:

Now, mind the nerves!;)

bulmers

09-12-2009, 12:27 AM

I had the same problem with mine. Took me a bit to figure it out :redface:

hfmls

09-12-2009, 01:01 AM

wow...nice to ear some good feedback. :)
i tought i was the only one happy with the azbox/price

selobaba

09-12-2009, 01:12 AM

wow...nice to ear some good feedback. :)
i tought i was the only one happy with the azbox/price

Iam very happy with my premium too, occasional hickups but, hey its human made , @ the begining I was mad and dissapointed with the box, largely do to my lack of linux,but as time gone by (of course not forgetting the help of goran and others) I become more familiar with linux and azbox, I do have several other boxes too, but to me personally azbox is the elite machine of them all. and I do not work for opensat..:respect-067:

hfmls

09-12-2009, 01:14 AM

:| i do not work for opensat either!

not this again .......

automan2

09-12-2009, 01:17 AM

there was me thinking i was the only one who liked their azbox :respect-050:

selobaba

09-12-2009, 01:23 AM

:| i do not work for opensat either!

not this again .......
I did not say you did, it was hypathetical. :smash::smash:

kebien

09-12-2009, 01:25 AM

goran

09-12-2009, 01:36 AM

If you're really, really well prepared beforehand, kebien... Other boxes, intros etc.

Otherwise... Well... No mythology needed...

No one was borne informed!

satwyn

09-12-2009, 07:55 AM

for some of us 4.2.2 is worth the purchase alone pitty no blind scan

hanswurscht

09-12-2009, 09:37 AM

yes, the Box is sooo great!
Problem occurs, needs a reboot and a nice Window with OK, klick OK and your Box is rebooting.

Is this feature since 3501 for to kill all unnessesary tmp ? :):)

Sorry Guys, but this Box is crazy
Also the "daily Firmware" should be renamed...... into cosmetic Fixes every 2 Weeks and no new "real Beta Stuff" since again 6 Weeks, but 12 Programmer working on it, sorry but I must laugh loud

Rhodes

09-12-2009, 10:18 AM

What you say is the truth!

yes, the Box is sooo great!
Problem occurs, needs a reboot and a nice Window with OK, klick OK and your Box is rebooting.

Is this feature since 3501 for to kill all nessesary tmp ? :):)

Sorry Guys, but this Box is crazy
Also the "daily Firmware" should be renamed......

naveh

09-12-2009, 02:47 PM

are you talking about a clone or an original german DM800?

markoaz

09-12-2009, 03:49 PM

paul01609

09-12-2009, 04:12 PM

Dr Freeman

10-12-2009, 12:07 AM

But to say a dm800 cannot work more than 20 minutes in an HD channel is outrageous,if this were the case,people would be screaming since it came out.
Let's just say some people are not handy with this boxes.
The prove is you only need 15 minutes to set up the azbox.

My original German DM800 does not work for more than 20 mins on a HD channel, even on a SD channel if the box is left on over night it will have crashed by the morning. Every time.

But as I said in the OP I have a lot of very hot equipment in a closed cupboard and as is widely reported on the net 800's don't like it hot.

What has me being 'handy' got to do with the box crashing? I think 2 hours is pretty good - it took me a lot longer for me to get the DM working right. And then it crashed again. So I fitted a fan inside. And it crashed. So I spent more money on laptop cooler and sat the DM on that. But guess what? It crashed again and again. So I got a second hand AZ and that has only crashed twice in 5 days.

paul01609

10-12-2009, 12:31 AM

you should of just got a replacement if you got it new,im now on my 2nd 800 and works perfect,im still in contact with the guy who got mine and hes over the moon with it

snakie

10-12-2009, 07:21 AM

i am very hapy with my azbox tried dm800 and 8000 not worth a penny with all that freezing and overheating. could not watch a full movie with those crappy machines. thanks to everyone in here for getting my premium up and running. azbox price best value for money.

Ok ok..first post ... and 8000 doesnt worth a penny..
oh my god..

cant believe that people get in the trouble to register and come and write such bullsht all over the forum.

Opensat vs DMM is something good, but telling lies?
get over it!

passete

10-12-2009, 07:39 AM

i am very hapy with my azbox tried dm800 and 8000 not worth a penny with all that freezing and overheating. could not watch a full movie with those crappy machines. thanks to everyone in here for getting my premium up and running. azbox price best value for money.

Another Opensat Personal ??

Get a life Mate, using since Months a 8000 without a single freezing.

Juste tell me where is your garbish, i'm interested on both 800 and 8000.

FELIX1

10-12-2009, 12:15 PM

have both and no problems what so ever is it a user problem?

I also have DM 800 and DM 8000 and the fantastic work and have no problems with them :respect-054:

hfmls

10-12-2009, 12:23 PM

i do believe dm8000 is very very expensive.......but to the point that's not worth a penny? i dont think so..

if i pay all the € for dm8000? no..
if i would want one over azbox hd elite as a gift?

hell yeah.

paul01609

10-12-2009, 01:36 PM

i think its some one who does not even have any of the boxes,or does not know how to use them lol

leerock

10-12-2009, 03:16 PM

Well....
i ve only seen 8000 once and tested it just a little bit...
So i can t give any decent opinion..
But....
This threat is about azbox over 800 and i completely agry....
a friend of mine has one (original)
and i would not ever swap my az for that cheapish crap..
Many people complain about azbox's picture quality...
Have you seen how awfull is the pq of that 800?
And i ve tried every setting...
Used both of them on the same tv...
I can t find a single thing i can say it s better than az on some aspect...
But i can find a lot for az over 800..
You shouldn t even compare the two...

And they are selling it at that high price...
If i would give that much i would go for ipbox surely!!!
Another quality product with thin support but at least it has quality..

Taykun

10-12-2009, 04:20 PM

paying 400EUR for original is really too much. I bought clone for 170EUR and iam still waiting it.
I sold AZbox elite months ago because at that time it was useless (slow, harmony didnt work well with receiver etc.). I sold it for good price.
Now i have xtreamer for media files (great little player, better than az box) and i hope that dm800 will be good. ATM i have dm500 but iam not happy with picture quality.

No more combo devices thats for sure (media player+ receiver in one device).

jimrare

10-12-2009, 06:01 PM

Many people complain about azbox's picture quality...
Have you seen how awfull is the pq of that 800?
And i ve tried every setting...
Used both of them on the same tv...You CANNOT compare picture quality as there is no way of measuring how good one performs over the other. There are too many parameters like snr, cabling, tv set, video compression, video ratio, etc. Its like saying that my red colour is better than yours. But how can anybody define what red color is? Which red is better, the one with wavelentgh 650nm or the one with 660nm? or the one with 670? If your stb is displaying red colours as blue, then yes i agree you do have a picture quality problem.

I can t find a single thing i can say it s better than az on some aspect...Faster zapping, streaming whatever video you like with no bandwidth restrictions, better cardsharing capabilities are just a few of them, but most of all better support. Pli, newnigma, gemini, oozoon, edg-nemesis, DF-II, LT, are some of the teams suporting it, even you can make your own image. Also bugs are fixed in far less time than many boxes around. On the other hand azbox firmware is still on BETA.

In the end, azbox has a long way to go if it wants to compete with the rest. We are talking about different leagues. Some people are happy the way it works right now, and they are patient enough to be waiting over a year now, for a NON-BETA firmware release. I am not that patient.

jimrare

10-12-2009, 06:42 PM

So I fitted a fan inside. And it crashed. So I spent more money on laptop cooler and sat the DM on that. But guess what? It crashed again and again. So I got a second hand AZ and that has only crashed twice in 5 days.
Instead of fitting a fan inside, spending more money for a laptop cooler and then buying some other second hand box, why didn't you simply remove it from the cupboard and check if your freezes were because of overheating problems?

Welcome to this forum. I hope you stay for a long time. You see too many first time posters are popping up lately.

Welcome to markoaz as well.

Dr Freeman

11-12-2009, 12:48 AM

paul01609

11-12-2009, 01:03 AM

with all that in there im suprized the 360 is not dead lol

Dreamlife

11-12-2009, 01:13 AM

That cupboard looks over cramped and also looks like it's been snowing in there. :smilielol5:

digihoe

11-12-2009, 01:38 AM

I have not seen that kind of cupboard before, can it be had at IKEA? Is it ypur wife who picked it out...?

ozzsurf

11-12-2009, 01:58 AM

why do you hide it all in a cupboard
all that heat and electric cables next to gas meter

xanadu

11-12-2009, 02:07 AM

I am sure it's illegal to keep working live electrical items next to the gas meter, and also it should be ventilated.

leerock

11-12-2009, 02:21 AM

You CANNOT compare picture quality as there is no way of measuring how good one performs over the other. There are too many parameters like snr, cabling, tv set, video compression, video ratio, etc. Its like saying that my red colour is better than yours. But how can anybody define what red color is? Which red is better, the one with wavelentgh 650nm or the one with 660nm? or the one with 670? If your stb is displaying red colours as blue, then yes i agree you do have a picture quality problem.

So you are saying that there is no such thing as good or bad picture quality ha?
I bet you ve got one of those lcd tv sets at home don t you?
As i said...
tried them on same tv, same settings on tv, same connection, same channels, same everything....
Have you ever heard about smearing, pixelation, and such?
You see...
more smearing is BAD, less smearing is GOOD
more pixelation is BAD, less pixelation is GOOD
less real detail is BAD, more real detail is GOOD.

what red and blue are you talking about man?

And these problems are on dm800s hdmi output...
On scart it s fine...
but you re missing the detail of HD channels

Faster zapping, streaming whatever video you like with no bandwidth restrictions, better cardsharing capabilities are just a few of them, but most of all better support. Pli, newnigma, gemini, oozoon, edg-nemesis, DF-II, LT, are some of the teams suporting it, even you can make your own image. Also bugs are fixed in far less time than many boxes around. On the other hand azbox firmware is still on BETA.

In the end, azbox has a long way to go if it wants to compete with the rest. We are talking about different leagues. Some people are happy the way it works right now, and they are patient enough to be waiting over a year now, for a NON-BETA firmware release. I am not that patient.

not faster zapping at all...
on latest azbox's snap, zapping with multicas is exactly the same as on dm800(Nemesis) with cccam 2.1.3..

streaming whatever video you like?
have you ever streamed an mkv?
the processor is not able to handle that,
it s well known..
i can stream an HD mp4 fine though:coolgleamA:

kebien

11-12-2009, 02:55 AM

leerock
You must be just being happy you DON'T have a dm800,and tested one for only some time,but..............

If you would have it,you can do like some of us and test both boxes using the same setup.
And to tell the truth,dm800 has a superb PQ,using hdmi output.
Not sure how you qualify to give a opinions compares to the ones that have them working side by side for some year.
And in the other hand,I can tell you azbox elite has HUGE analog noise on YPbPr/rgb output,whiuch you can measure with an oscilloscope,if you wish.

The fact is too many people have this boxes to hear stupid arguments regarding things you do not know well.

All those reasons you state are not massively driving people away from those dreambox models.
In factm,more like many people get those boxes FOR THE THINGS YOU FIND ARE WRONG WITH IT,like picture quality.
I do not believe you have any unbiased critical eye,looks more like you just try to justify you got an azbox.
Well,many of us can have both and be done with the comparisons,or at least,can compare substantially better.
All in all,dreambox still doing a lot more things and have much more working features at this moment (and its been a while azbox came out) than the azbox.
But the aznox still also a good box,for those that are not worried about comparing them to others.

Beside,when you stream in a dreambox,you are not using the processor at all.
Streaming is porting the second demux out from the demodulator (or a file from the hdd) to the network directly,without going through any process.
Obviously,you could NOT stream any MKV if its higher than the network limit in the azbox.

cosynmr

13-12-2009, 01:37 PM

There is no way I would keep all that equipment in a poorly ventilated dirty space like that. I'm not surprised you have some problems with the dm800. The 500 / xbox are prime candidates for early failure.

jimrare

13-12-2009, 02:25 PM

So you are saying that there is no such thing as good or bad picture quality ha?I am saying there is no objective measurement. If you want to make a true test google "Objective perceptual assessment of video quality: Full reference television". It is an ITU recommendation regarding picture quality. If you read the full pdf you will understand what i mean.

streaming whatever video you like?
have you ever streamed an mkv?
the processor is not able to handle that,
it s well known..
i can stream an HD mp4 fine though:coolgleamA:
You need to get your facts straight before telling us what is well known or not. An mkv file contains mpeg 4 compressed data. Mpeg4 has many variations. Xvid, divx, mp4, 3gp, flv, h.264, wmv and many more files are all mpeg4 variations. Dreambox hardware can handle mpeg2 plus h.264 content. Now if your mkv file contains h.264 video then you can stream it straight away. If you want to stream non-h.264 video then you need to convert it to mpeg2 or h.264. This is done with vlc on your pc for example.

In conclusion, you can view mpeg2 or h.264 content straight away and you can also view ANY other video or audio format as long as it is converted to mpeg2 or h.264 compatible content. Sattelite broadcasters stream mpeg2 or h.264 compatible content.

goran

13-12-2009, 02:43 PM

[OKI, I saved this response from before the "maintenance", hehe... ;)]

Sorry for having to point out the obvious but: OS is "out" considerably shorter than DMM, kebien.

In this particular case, DMM had 2 years, having announced DB800, and it still failed to prepare that box properly, when it came out with a serious HW fault.

That in itself, I would've thought, speaks that no company is all that great, even if DMM has more experience, knowledge and capital to invest...

There is a lot to be improved in AZbox HD - from serious to not so important - in terms of what the HW can do. You know I am not blind to it and definitely not silent on those issues.

But the question is [at least from that point of view]: how will AZbox HD development [let's say at least 1 year from now] compare with DB800HD [which has considerably advantageous starting position]? We shall see... But OS still have a while to develop their product before they could be compared like-for-like. All that, even though DMM are not starting from the same point at all, from what I can see, as it is all tilted in DMM favour.

All this if we really want to be objective...

No offence intended, kebien. I agree with a lot of what you say but this has to be objected to, as it seems incorrect to me.

Moreover, you know I do not speak in favour of any box, as a "fan" - something one can't say about most of this debate, which is "coloured" heavily with all this tribalism, unfortunately...

My objections to DMM, as you know, are of the principled nature, not on the basis of "I have spent money for it, so..." That, however, would not stop me from giving credit where credit is due, technically speaking, in ANY drection!

Likvid

13-12-2009, 03:11 PM

The DM8000 cost to retailer about 675,00 euros, this would be a acceptable, but not around 950 euros which most dealers take.

Why pay more when you can get everything in Azbox for more than half the price?

Likvid

13-12-2009, 03:14 PM

leerock
And to tell the truth,dm800 has a superb PQ,using hdmi output.

Uhh? since when does a dreambox have a HDMI output?

Likvid

13-12-2009, 03:18 PM

Some people are happy the way it works right now, and they are patient enough to be waiting over a year now, for a NON-BETA firmware release. I am not that patient.

You are like most Dreambox people, lazy and wants everything served.

You are like Mac users, don't know much about technical things but think they are cool just because they own a Mac, in you case a Dreambox.

goran

13-12-2009, 04:50 PM

Likvid, not everything, nope... Maybe one day [with Premium+ only, it seems] but right now - not really... Sorry but... No go... Much to many people's distress... :smash:

As for the "we are better" attitude of MacBiggots, Dreamsters, Freemasons and the like - yeah, very immature... :rolleyes: :smash:

I think Humanity needs to grow up... and fast! This would, in that case, be one of those things to disappear... ;)

jimrare

13-12-2009, 04:56 PM

You are like most Dreambox people, lazy and wants everything served.

You are like Mac users, don't know much about technical things but think they are cool just because they own a Mac, in you case a Dreambox.
If you say so....

...does my previous post show you i know nothing about technical stuff?

I understand your frustration though, when people have no facts, all they do is call names. Maybe you should do some reading before making such posts.

kebien

13-12-2009, 06:17 PM

Uhh? since when does a dreambox have a HDMI output?

Since it came out
You haven't read anything posted,apparently.

sonic1

13-12-2009, 06:21 PM

i am very hapy with my azbox tried dm800 and 8000 not worth a penny with all that freezing and overheating. could not watch a full movie with those crappy machines. thanks to everyone in here for getting my premium up and running. azbox price best value for money.

First post here and you say Azbox beats the DM8000 and 800 hand down
What a load of bollocks, you are either connected to Azbox or have no idea how to use a linux box

hfmls

13-12-2009, 06:24 PM

dm800 has DVI

not HDMI

sonic1

13-12-2009, 06:25 PM

Yeah for sure it crashed less when I moved it out of the cupboard. The fact remains that all my other gear copes with living in the same cupboard.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/RedeyeUK/AV/IMG_2188.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/RedeyeUK/AV/IMG_2190.jpg
Any sensible owner of electronic equipment knows you can not stack it as it transfers heat from one piece of equipment to the next.

Good luck explaining it to your insurers when it catches fire.
Yet and another Azbox lover I think but not that smart.

Likvid

13-12-2009, 06:34 PM

That's one of the most schocking pictures i've ever seen, the electronics got full loads of building up of dust, seems you don't have any respect at all for the nice electronics you have, just let them die in there...

sonic1

13-12-2009, 06:50 PM

Here are a couple of pics of my equipment and how to vetilate it correctly.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4183/image0003k.th.jpg

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3608/image0004v.th.jpg

Likvid

13-12-2009, 06:54 PM

Yeah that looks nice...

Friendly-Face

13-12-2009, 07:05 PM

this is yet agein becoming another NONSENCE (DMM vs OPENSAT ) thread

i will say it agien , some of us are happy with DM and some with AZ, this is a fact, we all must say the bad and good things :-) then what an buyer disides to buy is upto him/her

leerock

13-12-2009, 07:11 PM

I am saying there is no objective measurement. If you want to make a true test google "Objective perceptual assessment of video quality: Full reference television". It is an ITU recommendation regarding picture quality. If you read the full pdf you will understand what i mean.

jesus....
it seems you read so much that got you confused...
digital signal my friend has a lot of drawbacks...
what developers are trying to do all these years is to extinguish all those drawbacks...
For instance on tvs, plasma technology is almost there but lcd/led is miles back.... lots of those drawbacks are still present

you see...
picture noise is not subjective
pixelation is not subjective
smearing is not subjective

So as you present the facts we should all go and buy some cheapish lcd tv sets and all be happy with them as long as our reds are not blue...
lol

You need to get your facts straight before telling us what is well known or not. An mkv file contains mpeg 4 compressed data. Mpeg4 has many variations. Xvid, divx, mp4, 3gp, flv, h.264, wmv and many more files are all mpeg4 variations. Dreambox hardware can handle mpeg2 plus h.264 content. Now if your mkv file contains h.264 video then you can stream it straight away. If you want to stream non-h.264 video then you need to convert it to mpeg2 or h.264. This is done with vlc on your pc for example.

ok you didnt say something most people in here dont already know...
you see, mkv may be a package of vid aud and text and not represent a video format/codec but 99% of videos in mkvs you find on the net are encoded with x264...
When someone says that he can t play an mkv he obviously means x264...
and dm800 CAN'T...
you have to use vlc to real time decode it...
not so one click/ plug n play/user friendly/ function don t you think?

you can also view ANY other video or audio format as long as it is converted to mpeg2 or h.264 compatible content.

lol
what a powerfull machine that dm800 is ha?
it can play anything
as long as its converted to one format....

jimrare

13-12-2009, 07:52 PM

jesus....
it seems you read so much that got you confused...
...
So as you present the facts we should all go and buy some cheapish lcd tv sets and all be happy with them as long as our reds are not blue...
lolYou are the one who is confused. I only told you there is no objective means of measuring picture quality. You said that azbox has better quality, and i said that neither box has good or bad picture quality because NOT EVEN ITU can compare it.

99% of videos in mkvs you find on the net are encoded with x264...
When someone says that he can t play an mkv he obviously means x264...
and dm800 CAN'T...x264 is an open source codec that can convert movies to h.264. ALL HD boxes should decode h.264 unless you have bandwidth, resolution or some other kind of limitations. When someone says that he can t play h.264 using h.264 hardware then you can draw your own conclusions. In order to play h.264 with a dreambox you only need to click on the file, no vlc, no conversion.

Azbox has h.264 hardware but CANNOT play high bitrate h.264 movies. Do you call that a powerfull machine??

digihoe

13-12-2009, 08:41 PM

Azbox has h.264 hardware but CANNOT play high bitrate h.264 movies. Do you call that a powerfull machine??

Have you tried through internal HDD?

hfmls

13-12-2009, 08:44 PM

i play 1080p just fine with high bitrates and AC3

britzolas

13-12-2009, 08:50 PM

i play 1080p just fine with high bitrates and AC3

Me 2 from 1) network and 2) usb hdd powered from usb.
Windows XP (maybe that's the trick for the network playback).

jimrare

13-12-2009, 08:52 PM

Have you tried through internal HDD?I should have said through ethernet.

kebien

13-12-2009, 09:55 PM

DVI to HDMI, so you're both correct :-)

Don't worry,they will never understand what you are saying

In the first place DVI defines VIDEO WITHOUT AUDIO.
Does dm800 has video and audio in the DVI out?
YES
Then it is HDMI (which implies video and audio,but as NOBODY READ THE HDMI SPECIFICATIONS,NOR DVI,THEN THEY ARE BOUND BY IGNORANCE,no offense,but this is the right word to define people that is unaware of things)
The worst part is imply other people is ignorant by keeping on the subject without learning themselves the topic in question.

Dr Freeman

13-12-2009, 10:17 PM

Yeah that looks nice...

Don't you mean ugly? Who'd wan't all that ugly AV gear cluttering up their lounge? Only sad unmarried tech geeks I reckon!

So I Know my little glory hole isn't ideal - I'm not stupid and thats why I posted the picture.

I included the second pic to show that once the cupboard is shut my install is actually pretty nice. Not many high end AV installations have the equipment on display you know.

Alright I haven't got around to building a rack for my gear YET!

An extractor fan for the cupboard is planned when the kitchen gets re-done.

I do leave the door open when gaming because the 360 gets hot.

It still stands that the only thing that couldn't cope with those 'shocking' conditions is the DM800.

The AZ hasn't skipped a beat since I installed it, even my beautiful wife loves it.

Likvid

13-12-2009, 10:52 PM

To be honest some people that bash DM8000 are the ones who can't afford one or doesn't want to spend that kind of money of principle on a Chinese made box.

Yes it's silly money, at least you would expect highend quality on hardware at that price range, still DM continues to use cheap quality chassis and not enough PCB layers which means the component board on a 1000 euro box will fail after 2 years or close to that needing service repair.

Problem being with the other manufacturers is that they don't actually pay other sotfware groups to bring out new software, Dreambox are smart in their tactics, CCcam team are fully paid by DM and many other teams, that's the reason DM got the most mature software of all boxes out there.

Then we have all amateur teams with other Linux boxes who does this on their free time and tries to keep up with DMs pace of development, however they can't as DM is paying other teams to work much harder.

So to sum it up and it will hurt, if you want the best software you buy a Dreambox whatever it costs, otherwise you have to nag about Azbox development.

Likvid

13-12-2009, 10:56 PM

Don't you mean ugly? Who'd wan't all that ugly AV gear cluttering up their lounge? Only sad unmarried tech geeks I reckon!

So I Know my little glory hole isn't ideal - I'm not stupid and thats why I posted the picture.

Your equipment will be short lived being in that closet i can guarantee you, do you know how much dust and heat make to electronics?

Anwyay, it's not nice hiding nice AV equipment, it's nice to show them off in a nice rack like the guy posted earlier, that's how it should be installed, clean and well looked after.

Likvid

13-12-2009, 11:00 PM

Since it came out
You haven't read anything posted,apparently.

You clearly can't understand the difference between a DVI connector and HDMI connector.

Only the upcoming DM500HD will have HDMI, current DM800/8000 got DVI.

Dreambox was to cheap to pay for the HDMI license so they opted for the free DVI interface.

Gets you facts straight!

BeeKay

13-12-2009, 11:32 PM

:eek:[QUOTE=Dr Freeman;680401]Yeah for sure it crashed less when I moved it out of the cupboard. The fact remains that all my other gear copes with living in the same cupboard.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/RedeyeUK/AV/IMG_2188.jpg

Wow, I'm watching Homes From Hell on TV at the moment and I just seen that room on the program! What a mess :eek:

Clean it up you mucky Pup!!

kebien

14-12-2009, 02:24 AM

You clearly can't understand the difference between a DVI connector and HDMI connector.

Only the upcoming DM500HD will have HDMI, current DM800/8000 got DVI.

Dreambox was to cheap to pay for the HDMI license so they opted for the free DVI interface.

Gets you facts straight!

You have plenty of information in the net to educate yourself
While DVI licensing is royalty free,the agreement never mention AUDIO,nor is into specifications,for this you go search for DVI licensing agreement.
Go and search about DVI ADOPTER'S AGREEMENT.
( I make it easier for you http://www.ddwg.org/downloads.asp)

Now,if you care to read here
http://www.aurora.se/dvi-hdmi.htm
you will see the main difference between HDMI and DVI is that HDMI carries 8 channels of AUDIO,together with the same digital video as DVI does.

Now no matter how you want to view it,dm800 has hdmi output,if it were only DVI,you would NOT have audio send to the TV set.
But you still do not want to read the do***ents you should be reading regarding this.
Then you wonder WHY people buy HDMI licenses if they could do the same as DMM and this DVI output with audio? is because DMM is breaking the agreement sending audio through DVI,and they would get lots of fines if HDMI people find this out.
If they are going to be fined for this,it means dm800 definitely HAS an HDMI output,otherwise it wouldn't be a purpose of hiding it.
Please read up the do***ents before
If you insist,we can even trace court cases where HDMI sues people for doing the same thing? would there be any case?
Perhaps is necessary if you still don't understand.
But just reading what HDMI says about DVI in their definition of how things should be,look here
http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/kb.aspx?c=12#109

Q. Do I need a separate audio cable if my if my HDMI output is a physical DVI (DVI to HDMI adapter) port is not a true HDMI port?
Digital Visual Interface (DVI) is a video interface standard designed to maximize the visual quality of digital display devices such as flat panel LCD computer displays and digital projectors. Because DVI is a video-only standard, a graphics card with DVI port, even one with a DVI-HDMI adapter sends uncompressed digital video data to a display but does not send audio

Clearly states and defines DVI as a VIDEO ONLY standard,so what dm800 has?
And this is the end of the story.

sonic1

14-12-2009, 10:02 AM

Don't you mean ugly? Who'd wan't all that ugly AV gear cluttering up their lounge? Only sad unmarried tech geeks I reckon!

So I Know my little glory hole isn't ideal - I'm not stupid and thats why I posted the picture.

I included the second pic to show that once the cupboard is shut my install is actually pretty nice. Not many high end AV installations have the equipment on display you know.

Alright I haven't got around to building a rack for my gear YET!

An extractor fan for the cupboard is planned when the kitchen gets re-done.

I do leave the door open when gaming because the 360 gets hot.

It still stands that the only thing that couldn't cope with those 'shocking' conditions is the DM800.

The AZ hasn't skipped a beat since I installed it, even my beautiful wife loves it.

How about someone who works about 50 hours a week and is happily married for over 14 years.

If I spend money on electronics I intend to look after it and have it perform to it's best not just stack it so I cook it and then blow up the house in the process.

I am sure you have a beautiful wife too but I am sure she will be pi$$ed when you burn the house down. :redface:

goran

14-12-2009, 10:25 AM

That's for slobs...:rolleyes: really...:respect-050:

Btw, how do you change channels?:confused: The door of that cupboard must be open...:eek: [YUCK!!!:o11: Some doc you are... :rolleyes:]

Too much money to pi$$ away :rolleyes: and no technical culture to speak of, it seems to me...:number-one-043:

Jokes asides, this thread is a bit of a joke, too... At least some posters are, regardless which "tribe" they belong to... :rolleyes:

What you are doing is utterly unbecoming to people with any spine and at least a semi-decent sense of self-respect!!!:9898:

Likvid

14-12-2009, 11:02 AM

Clearly states and defines DVI as a VIDEO ONLY standard,so what dm800 has?
And this is the end of the story.

Doesn't matter what you say, DM does NOT have HDMI, can you see the difference between a DVI and HDMI connector?

Just because DM was too cheap to pay for the license, they have opted for some cheap ass solution to integrate audio with DVI.

Still it has only DVI and you can't run from that fact!

I really don't care what DM has done to make audio work with DVI as it's not the correct solution, it would be also nice if you included how much trouble their non-standard solution is for people with AV-receivers and HDMI.

And you still probably don't get it, Dreambox got a DVI connector, i am not talking about what signals it will carry and what adaption DM has made to make it work.

kebien

14-12-2009, 03:37 PM

As I told you,the socket mean NOTHING,you can have RGB out through rca or through scart or through DVI socket too,doean't mean ANYTHING,still an RGB output.

The socket MEAN NOTHING here,since it the type of signal that gets through what matters.
You must keep your statements to yourself because they mean NOTHING to real technical facts.
You do not like this facts.
And there is no problem for those with A/V to use the dm800 output at all.

You keep making things up based on NOTHING but stupid blah,nothing really interesting to continue the discussion
Your opinion is not important,but the technical stuff you don't care about.

Continue as you were normal.

Likvid

14-12-2009, 04:37 PM

The sockets means something, the HDMI connector allows higher bandwidth to be transmitted than DVI.

Of course the bandwidth needed for 1080i is enough for DVI, but HDMI can achieve higher which is usable in the future.

Friendly-Face

14-12-2009, 05:11 PM

Likvid

14-12-2009, 06:09 PM

HDCP is optional on DVI, it's obligatory on HDMI.

Engima2 got HDCP disabled, at least on IPBOX it doesn't have HDCP enabled, probably the same with DM.

Dr Freeman

14-12-2009, 07:03 PM

Wow, I'm watching Homes From Hell on TV at the moment and I just seen that room on the program! What a mess

Clean it up you mucky Pup!!

Errr yes mum!

I am sure you have a beautiful wife too but I am sure she will be pi$$ed when you burn the house down. :redface:

She probably would, IF the house burnt down. Which it won't. My gear gets no hotter than would in any closed cabinet, you know type that many many people have their AV gear in.

That's for slobs...:rolleyes: really...:respect-050:

Btw, how do you change channels?:confused: The door of that cupboard must be open...:eek: [YUCK!!!:o11: Some doc you are... :rolleyes:]

See the little things stuck on the front of all my gear? Well they are called IR emmiters.

See the little black dot on the skirting just below the door? Welll thats called an IR receiver.

Eh voilà! The door stays shut and my wife stays happy.

Too much money to pi$$ away :rolleyes: and no technical culture to speak of, it seems to me...:number-one-043:

I work very hard for my money. As for no technical culture please refer to the above. I did the install myself and fully intended to build a rack and properly ventilate the area but just haven't have had time.

What you are doing is utterly unbecoming to people with any spine and at least a semi-decent sense of self-respect!!!:9898:

You don't think that this is going a bit too far?

goran

14-12-2009, 07:18 PM

The last one was not intended for you - unless you feel tribal.:woot-035:

It's addressed to all who behave in a partisan manner!:ack2:

Dust on eq. is [technically speaking] "cultured"?!?:smash:

kebien

14-12-2009, 10:01 PM

One thing i will say for you, can DVI on DMM pass on the HDCP ?

I ask this becouse Viasat has Started TV 1000 HD with HDCP ascctivated , and 1 TV 1000 HD with no HDCP , i cann say you that the channel with HDCP ON do not work on DM 800, while it works very well on IPbox 900 as it has HDCP LISENCE from factory.

Please do not ask me how the TV 1000 HD works, as i do not know, i just see that it works :biggrinjester:
If you look at the broadcom chipset 7401 in the dm800,you will see it has HDMI out,meaning it has HDPC options NATIVELY.
Just grab the datasheet and you will see.
And by the way,likvid just told you E2 has no HDCP enabled,how come the ipbox can open something E2 is unable to do? (this IF he is correct with that statement)
There must be something else you are not aware of.

Now i need to get back my Azbox HD to test that to, as i have given it a way to a friend to test it for few weeks.

many here know the diference betwen and DVI and HDMI, there are still DVI cables out there and PC that have DVI to DVI that pass thru both Audio and Video
You do not seem to know either.
PC video cards with DVI out have audio disabled from factory,only one ATI card has it,and is licensed.
Many pc video cards can add audio to DVI by adding the audio feed manually,using a determined cable,but this is not the way manufacturers deliver them to you.
Maybe SIGMA chipset has better handling of HDMI/HDCP since is a newer chipset with newer specs than broadcom 7401.

*****Likvid The sockets means something, the HDMI connector allows higher bandwidth to be transmitted than DVI.

Of course the bandwidth needed for 1080i is enough for DVI, but HDMI can achieve higher which is usable in the future. ***
None of this matter when dm800 has hdmi 1.1 specs,there is no future but is enough to handle 1080p natively.
You still do not get it,Bradcom chipset use HDMI out 1.1,what would be the benefit for the future?
Is already designed with older HDMI specs.
Cannot take advantage of the future ( but in this case,we are talking about an old receiver,to upgrade to HDMI 1.3/1.4 you must go with another model or another receiver)

Resuming,dm800 has hdmi output,as simple as that,datasheet do not lie,disregard you see a DVI socket in there,is a lie.