Any premium+ owners in here?

[leerock]

I m thinking of selling my elite and go for a premium+....
I see many stores having it listed as available...

Anyone actually bought one?

it s not for the twin tuner support, i m not really interested in it but for the better remote,
and i ve heard that it doesn t have streaming problems with high bitrate mkvs...
Is that really truth?
i d really like to hear some comments of an owner...

And does it really work with current old box's firmware as they ve promised?
anyone tried it?

Thanks

[iwols]

hi leerock it would take a brave or stupid man on this ,personally ide buy it for the blindscan but ive heard rumours even this doesnt work properly

[leerock]

well...
i d take it if usb/net limit is removed as some say...

but then again maybe it s just rumors

I use this box a lot as a media player and i hate it that i can t stream 1080p...
and now with latest firms i can t stream 720p either.....

i know for the price difference i d buy an xtreamer but i kinda like the idea of all-in-one

[zeini]

I don't have the premium+. But other users in germany reports, that lan-speed and usb-speed ist the same as with the old box.

WLAN-speed is now better. But this is also better with the old box and the newest beta-fw.

[goran]

That IS rather worrying... Looks like a bloody bad shambles to me...

Incompetence re. the programmers or HW or both?!?

[digihoe]

How can we now make them (OpenSat) understand that USB/LAN/WLAN is a really important feature that all of us want to see fixed, whatever modell we got... I personally also want to be able to stream channels from the box, I could do that with my Nokia 9600 so it's a shame this 10 year+ newer hardware can't...

[goran]

Oh, well... how can we?!?:rolleyes:

It seems that even with a new chipset, they are still not capable enough to do this properly or draw the consequences, if it can't be done -> ditch Sigma...:svengo:

But what exactly is it, we wonder...?!?:beatdeadhorse5:

[leerock]

well...
premium plus looks like a no go....
thanks for the info guys....


@Goran
you ve mentioned a new chipset...
i though plus version was using the same chipset as the old ones.....

[rocktheroad]

I think they told on their forum that limit is set because box can't handle full speed, it becomes unstable and processor can't handle load. So I don't think we can hope for something better... I guess that other Sigma based players have dedicated chips for network because they work perfectly...

[goran]

Lee, I thought they said that chipset had to be changed for the + version, hence the larger MOBO etc.

[leerock]

I think they told on their forum that limit is set because box can't handle full speed, it becomes unstable and processor can't handle load. So I don't think we can hope for something better... I guess that other Sigma based players have dedicated chips for network because they work perfectly...

The most disturbing thing is that they do not learn from their mistakes.....
If what you said is true then
Why releasing a plus version that it s supposed to fix everything,
and not adding that god damn dedicated chip
when they know that most users stuggle with that limitation?
To release later a premium ++ that fixes the net issue?

[leerock]

But now i think of it....
It may has nothing to do with the absence of a dedicated net chip coz usb is limited also....

[goran]

See these, how they change over time...


Opensat's response. Sorry for the time it took.

Dear valuable Azbox users,
In order to calm down some opinions that appeared on internet, Opensat wants to clarify its position
referring to those issues:
1) We frankly don’t understand why this excitement around AzBox arises now, but we have strong reasons to
believe that it is only a commercial retaliation.
2) It is false that OPENSAT plans release new models based on other processor than the Sigma, we even announce
that our integration with Sigma chipsets are bigger every day.
3) It is true that Opensat will launch a new model, called media player without any possibility to plug tuners (the
model already presented at ANGA CABLE 2009), the target is to compete with MMP devices (like Popcorn, egreat,
…) and will be used a Sigma design chipset.
4) Obviously in the future some new models can be launched to better fulfill our customer’s needs. At the moment
we don’t plan to release any new model soon, and even if this happens in the future, definitively will be a Sigma
Chipset device and software will be compatible with all other HD receivers (Premium and Elite).
5) About Hardware issue, is true that with time we discovered some problem mostly with some non official cam’s.
In order to increase compatibility we decided to use the 2 slots with different voltage in the newer productions, so
all kind of cam's should work now. Due to this problem some of our distributors suggested to make those changes
manually in some motherboards previously sold, free of charge to the customers that requested the modification.
Opensat will fully support those distributors sending all the needed components to make the Hardware changes
and also support them technically to solve the issues. If user want to make the modification by at home can
download instructions at Link censored, click here to view our rules.
6) Opensat Never run away from its responsibilities with users and society, probably Opensat is in the restricted
number of companies that have all portfolio licenses such as: MPEG LA (MPEG 2 VIDEO, MPEG 4 VISUAL,
AVC/H.264); VIA LICENSING (MPEG 2/4 AUDIO AAC); SISVEL (MPEG AUDIO); HDMI ADAPTER; DOLBY AC3; DIGITAL
DTS and finishing IGR licensing.
As is public knowledge, in case of DTS license we pay 3 USD per each sold receiver so users can enjoy this
technology. Probably AzBox it’s the only Set top box at free market with DTS output by HDMI. Our biggest concern
is the satisfaction of our users needs.
7) About Twin tuner issue, as is public knowledge in the datasheet from Sigma chipset, it's possible, and we follow
all chipset manufacturer recommendations, however at the moment Sigma didn't presented us with a working
solution, se we are working very hard developing it by ourselves (actually this is the reason of so few updates on last
3 weeks). Soon we will have solution to this problem.
8) In order to provide best support to the users we are planning to launch an official forum where people can report
their problems faster and also help us to find the correct solutions.
With Best regards,
Hugo Condessa
Opensat C.E.O.


AzBox HD Premium
AzBox Premium HD is equipped with two tuner sockets. This allow you to use it with all desired combination between one or two, DVB-T, DVB-C, DVB-S2, ATSC and ISDB-T (Brazilian format) tuners.
Premium model is also equipped with a WI-FI wireless internet PCI module, and also have socket for internal S-ATA HDD up to 1000GB


Modular tuner sockets
One of our top hardware features is that the tuners can be easily switched so you can easy transfer you DVB-S2 receiver at one combo receiver. You have all freedom to pick u any desired combination that more adjusts to your needs (Available tuners: DVB-T, DVB-C, DVB-S2, ATSC and ISDB-T (Brazilian format)).


http://www.azbox.com/HDPremium.php


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Ok... did some research... I just wanted to make sure I was not dreaming when I was told about Dual Tuner support in firmware. So using memory thanks to satpimps...

19th April 2009 (back then seems Dual Tuner is what we were expecting it to be... not today?)


Firmware doesn't support yet dual tuner.

The goal of Dual tuner is to be able to watch another program while recording, meaning another program from another TP.

You can already zap to another channel with one tuner in the Azbox while recording but you need to stay on the same TP.

21st April 2009 (Wait... June release is going to include Dual Tuner support!!! WOW again)


When you record a program you normally don't watch it so your TV screen is free to watch the other channel.

If you watch what you record... then you won't watch another program otherwhise you are a kind of Superman able to watch two program at the same times, then you will need 2 TV and two STB and not a Dual tuner one. :-)

Yes, Tinos, we know that TODAY the firmware is not able to manage both tuner but for the official release end june it will.

24th April 2009 (Seems 4 channel recording using dual tuner? WOW)


@Yoda

Yes this is typically what a dual Tuner is for, you understand properly my explanation.

@Goran

Recording a full stream is not a problem, the problem is decoding since each channel in a stream has its own decrypt key. So recording 16 FTA channels is not a problem but what is the interest to record 16 encrypted channels? Since at the next keys change in your subscription card you won't be able to clear the encrypted program.

So you will need to record all the 16 channels encrypted and then playing back each indivually to clear the channel and record it into a clear channel to be able to watch later on your program. Recording encrypted is useless from my point of view.

And recording the 16 channels decoded can be a problem both for your crypto card and for the receiver because he will need to handle many information at the same time.

I think that the Azbox will be able to handle 4 simultaneous channels decoding (for the dual tuner stuff).

8th May 2009 (Seems back in May we had same feature as today... but good firmware was going to be released?)


Firmware 0.9.1868 is only supporting dual tuner in combo mode, meaning support for 1*DVB-S2 + 1 * DVB-C or 1*DVB-S2 + 1 * DVB-T.

So today 2 * DVB-S2 is not yet supported, you will still need to wait before behing able to test your dual tuner. :-)

So I wait... and wait... and wait...


Dear Users,
there is were some big misunderstanding about that:
- Like you can see in your gift boxes the BOXES are Combo, OPENSAT always sells this box like combo, it's very clear, in all tec. specs.
- If you looke were: http://www.sigmadesigns.com/Products...age8634_br.pdf (http://www.sigmadesigns.com/Products/SMP8630/pdf_files/Vantage8634_br.pdf) Sigma changes specs to TWO tuners support, we use fully Sigma SKD dev.
- If comes a twin tuner feature in some model it will be a extra feature, we don't take a decision YET about that becuase DEV still in process and we looking for best way.


and here the next "big misunderstanding"
advertisement is from the magazine infosat 11/2009

twintuner? or combo?? hm.......

http://s12.directupload.net/images/091104/temp/l5tdixtb.jpg (http://s12.directupload.net/file/d/1968/l5tdixtb_jpg.htm)


I will find the latest statement with the "need to change the chipset" etc. later...

[a7v8x]

I think the title of this thread should be changed to "anyone stupid enough to be a premium+ owner"

[leerock]

I think the title of this thread should be changed to "anyone stupid enough to be a premium+ owner"

Hehe.....
Tried to change the title m8 but it doesnt have that option :)
Well, if restrictions are still there
then buying a plus now for a blindscan that is going to work right after a year then yes... It s just plain stupid....

[digihoe]

Oh, well... how can we?!?:rolleyes:

It seems that even with a new chipset, they are still not capable enough to do this properly or draw the consequences, if it can't be done -> ditch Sigma...:svengo:

But what exactly is it, we wonder...?!?:beatdeadhorse5:

Well... I think that the "chipset" issue is BULLSH*T!, since it should only affect LAN then, but also WLAN suffer and also USB...
I think it is the crappy kernel, I seen described that bulk transfers from USB don't work and to make it work they changed from usb_buffer_alloc() to kmalloc() , but hey I guess that the OpenSat programmers already tried this (?)... I hope thay can demand a newer kernel since this 2006 kernel su*ks a*s...

Soon I have had it...

[pascha99]

then buying a plus now for a blindscan that is going to work right after a year then yes... It s just plain stupid....

Thats not at all....see here:
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7043/azhdmichips.jpg

[goran]

Ta to NoMaD:



I found a patch for kernel 2.6.25.8 that supports SMP863x devices.

Here's a link:

_http://download.sagetv.com/pubcode/HD200kernel.patch

[alcomys]

hello i,m the new owner of a brand new premium hd +
blindscan works fine and also the second tuner.
after scanning the channels you have 2 settings list for both tuners.
about the fan noise of you dont need the fan you can switch it of with the following command.
vfd_display -td210 -fan off
vfd_display -td210 -fan on

regards

[rocktheroad]

But now i think of it....
It may has nothing to do with the absence of a dedicated net chip coz usb is limited also....

Then USB dedicated chip is way to go... Here is architecture of few devices based on same chipset:

Egreat Media Player:
* CPU:SIGMA DESIGNS SMP8635
* DDR DRAM :Hynix 64-bit 256MB
* External NOR Flash :Spansion 16-bit 128MB
* LANCHIP: REATEK RTL8201CP
* Audio D/A CHIP: AKM AK4420
* HDMI 1.3 CHIP: SILICON IMAGE SIL9134
* SATA TO USB: JMICRON JM20335
* ESATA HOST: SUNPLUS SPIF225
* USB HOST: GENESYS GL850A

HDX 1000:
* Processor : Sigma Designs SMP8635 Rev. C
* DDR DRAM : 64-bit 512Mb
* External NOR Flash : 16-bit 256Mbit
* LANCHIP: REATEK RTL8201CP
* Audio D/A CHIP: AKM AK4420ET
* HDMI 1.3 CHIP: SILICON IMAGE SIL9134CTU
* SATA TO USB: JMICRON JM20330
* USB SLAVE : CY7C68300C-58 LFXG07

Popcorn A-110
* Processor : SIGMA DESIGNS SMP8635
* DDR DRAM : NANYA NT5DS32M16CS/5T 256MB
* External NOR Flash : 32MB
* LANCHIP: REATEK RTL8201CP
* Audio D/A CHIP:
* HDMI 1.3 CHIP: SILICON IMAGE SIL9134
* SATA TO USB: CY7C68300C-58 LFXG07

I would like if someone can make this list for HD and HD+ models, so we can know what are we dealing with. As I saw, there is already one important difference and HD+ have HDMI 1.3...

[goran]

OKI, interesting... Thanx, alcomys!

Now, can we have the details, please?

Why? Well, somebody said it does not work, then somebody else "only if it's not properly installed or configured [whatever]"...

So, please, do tell - what can one possibly do to prevent it from performing the "blind scan"?!?

Is it HW or SW based "blind scan", btw?

Thanx!:cheers2:

[Carp95]

Premium + = HW
Premium/Elite = SW ( minimum fw 0.9.4110)

[kebien]

Well,it cannot be called blindscan if you have to enter specs like symbol rate.

If you have to enter symbol rate and the machine will be checking different frequencies until it finds the feed using that symbol rate,It can be called Brute Force scan,in any case.
I think there are some very mixed up concepts about blindscan by opensat
If this is blindscan,then dreambox can also blindscan,there is a plugin to brute force a feed specs,for years now.

[joshjess]

I see that Tele Satellite magazine has done a large article on Opensat