anyone tried blindscan yet

[iwols]

hi all just wondered if anyone had tried the blindscan function yet in the newest fw,as the last one would only scan an one sr,which made it pretty useless thanks guys

[crappy]

I didn't see any changes on my premium. Maybe it will never come for the premium and only for the premium+

[goran]

As Blu called it "blinkeredscan"? :rolleyes:

Firstly, here is my test with the previous FW 4110:


==============LET'S TEST=================

I gave it the lowest S/R I could find on 12/5'W, i.e. 1300 and let is search. It came up with 71 TV and 6 Radio channels. Kind of quite suddenly, as it didn't show any "new channels found" during searching, which leaves me to believe it only "found" what was already in my channels/transponder list. In other words, a gimmick! Well, let's test it again, to be more sure...

I am going through the 'blind scan' again, this time with 0000 for S/R. Let's see the results.

RESULTS: it finished without finding anything at all, as expected, but then it went for another quick scan through the transponders that were already there. Very fast but nothing new. It seems my conclusion from above seems correct. But let's do more tests...

I am now going to do a 'blind scan' with the highest S/R [22400] I could find - all on the same satellite position.

RESULTS: this time it's 69 TV and 6 Radio channels. Nothing new during the 'blind scan' search, as before, only after it did that, when it went through the TPs already in my channels list! Let's test some more, so we can be even more sure...

Now I am going to do the same with an S/R of a specific TP [11781], where ESP2 is. Nothing during the 'blind scan'!

RESULTS: 71 TV and 6 Radio channels that were already there.

One more thing: why do we not have the possibility of searching through/inspecting the newly found channels, once the search is finished, before we save them?!?

NOW THE NEW FW:

I gave it the lowest and highest frequency limits, then S/R 2000 and off it went...

During the 'blindscan' it found absolutely NOTHING, as before, with the previous FW...

Then, in the second phase, once it is finished with the first 'blindscan' phase [it says "100%" and then it goes for more, which is silly!], it goes through a normal but fast search, via the TPs it already has in the database. It finds nothing new.

Sorry, OS/Celrun, but this is completely useless... At least for now...

The problem being: I can't see any improvements whatsoever!!!

From the posts I would surmise that they did "something" and asked us to "test it". However, I see absolutely nothing done whatsoever. And I wonder: have they tested what they wrote? Could they [the writers, with all their technical knowledge and expertise] not have seen that this is doing absolutely nothing? I mean, I am a lay person, not from "tech sciences" and if I can see it does nothing - WTF?!? :rolleyes:

My suggestion - mentioned many a time already and not just by me! - would be NOT to raise people's hopes like this and then let them down so sadly, as that infuriates many people who are already waiting a long time for just about any good, big news. Instead, be HONEST with yourselves and test it just a bit, to see if indeed it does do anything or not at all. A 10-15 minutes test would have told you NOT to mention this as "blindscan" function to be tested, because there is nothing in there that works! :rolleyes:

[iwols]

thanks goran,it really is joke isnt it,ide sooner them say its not going to work,then i can buy a reciver that does blindscan,its not just a bug it just doesnt work

[Carp95]

Just try latest daily 4219:respect-055:

[goran]

And just what will he find there in re. of 'blindscan', carp?:coolgleamA:

[jamesjay]

I have tested the so called blindscan in the latest firmware (4219) scanning 9e, it found no new transponders. I did a further test changing the minimum frequency to 11600 and the maximum frequency to 11800, and used a symbol rate of 27500 with vertical polarization...and it failed to find ESPN, which was also missed on the so called full blindscan.

The only way it would find ESPN a transponder with a signal quality of 100% on my setup, is by inputing the transponder details manually in SAT/TP Edit, so in fact there is no blindscan as far as I am concerned. A true blindscan should give the user not only control of the frequency but also the symbol rate, this software gives the user neither.

[iwols]

the saga continues guys

[donQ]

I tried the blind scan out on previous fw and saw no change, but in this fw it seemed to work - to an extent I think.

I tried it on 28.2E, maybe wasn't the best to try, but I checked highest and lowest parameters were wide enough to catch all transponders.

When it starts it appears to be finding nothing, but at the bottom it tells of old and new transponders found. For me it seemed to find a lot of new ones, added to the current set. There are over 100 transponders on this sat I think, but it found less than half I think, but many more than I had to start.

The second phase it starts to find channels on all these new and old transponders. I now have a lot of new - and pretty useless channels on this sat, but it was a test! :) I'll try another sat tomorrow to see if there is any change.

[iwols]

will wait with bated breath donq

[SatSearcher]

I tried it on 5W, deleted all transponders in the database for 5W except for 2 (12543H & 11591V) did a full 'blindscan' from 10700 to 12750, found nothing new, and it only scanned in channels from 12543H, didn't even find 11591V which was in the database! My conclusion, this 'blindscan' function is just that, totally blind!

[donQ]

will wait with bated breath donq

Wait no longer! I tried on 12.5W, 7W, 5W, 1W, 4.8E, 7E, 10E sadly with no new transponders found. Some with a few new channels and some with a few less, but that's normal! So perhaps it still needs work.

Maybe someone could try on 28.2E and see if they get new transponders as I did?

[goran]

It depends on how old and which channel list you have, m8!

If it is old and there have been new TPs added or channels on old TPs added - it will find new stuff, provided they are connected [NIT search mode].

If they are not connected [NIT] - it will not find anything.

I gave it a specific S/R and it hasn't found it!

The first run ['blindscan'] finds nothing!

Every time! Without fail! :rolleyes: It fails! :D

A joke! Sadly!:smash:

[iwols]

why o why would they even bother adding this its crap ,not buggy .CRAP,sorry guys but its not even a starter

[zeini]

User Ponny reported in our forum.
On scanning Oszillatorfrequency is wrong.
The bug is as follows:
Low Band Horizontal Scan OK Oszillatorfrequency 9750 MHz.
Low-band vertical scan is bad. It is used the Oszillatorfrequency of high-band 10600 MHz when scan. 9750 MHz would be correct.

Scan high-band vertically OK. The correct frequency of 10600 MHz is used.
Scan high-band horizontally bad. It is used the Oszillatorfrequency of low-band 9750 MHz when scan. 10600 MHz would be correct.

I've reported it to official forum.

[cerci]

Can you help How i add a transponder at 12669.50 mhz how i input not 12669 but 12669.50.. Which is Ushuaia HD at 19.2e..

[zeini]

You only must write the frequency 12669, or 12670. And the AZBox will search on the rieght frequency.

[cerci]

Does anybody get the Ushuaia HD signal at 19.2 e, 12669.50 Mhz

[goran]

I do: not in my CS network, so not open right now but it's there... Sofrenic list, re-scanned from zero by me...:coolgleamA:

[cerci]

Thanks Goran i will try...

[pascha99]

New tests ,with the 4238 No-puplic Fw.(before rumoring...this fw include only BS-fix)

Posted at Myazbox from user "Ponny".
Translated into english ,with "promt"

Hello,

after the Blindcsan with the AZBOX functions perfectly, today I carried out a test with DiSEqC 1.2.

A Motek V.Box II and 36 V of engine SMR1224 with an LAMINAS AS 1800 and Ku Band LNB.

As first, DiSEqC 1.2 was activated in the menu, installation on suitable satellites. The V box with DiSEqC 1.2 is to be steered only sporadically possibly.

Opposed became gradual go. This functions sometimes on a satellite, but not always. The positions on were automatically stored away. With leave of the menu it sometimes comes with every keystroke to orders to the V box. She simply drives single steps. Therefore the stored away position is not right any more. A Scan on the satellite is not possible. Only a reboot , helps here to come out of this loop.

Specifically it means, that the east west movement (DiSEqC 1.2 order)was not left . Because every button-push on the remote control released a suitable order.

Differently it behaves if I with the remote control of the V box the suitable satellites starts and stores away the position in the DiSEqC 1.2 of the AZBOX. All positions are started so precisely. So with the remote control start first of all the satellite and then in the menu of the AZBOX store away the position. Thus it came to no error messages.

It was also tested of the Blindcsan for 10 ° the east and 7 ° the east. Before all transponders were removed from these satellites. Scanned only the area became in which itself Feeds consider. Functioned fast and without mistake. Unfortunately, none was present 4:2:2 Feeds at that time.

Ponny

[goran]

So, still not functioning... i.e. no fix... :banghead::svengo:

[pascha99]

So, still not functioning... i.e. no fix...
You are wrong,but it was my mistake.Sorry!
I forgot to post, the ponny`s test from yesterday.

Hello,

the first test with the topical software and Blindscan, has run very well. Turk-Sat 42 ° the east with the T90, at the moment notoptimally opposed was scanned. All transponders were extinguished before. All receiveable transponders were found vertical and horizontal. These are also transponders,which are too weakly for a signal announcement , however, they was locked. The comparison with the Openbox 820 ,it brought on these transponders also no signal. The tuner is at least as sensitive, the Openbox 820. All low symbolic rates on Turk-Sat were also read in. It was scanned in 4 MHz of steps and symbolic rate from 1000.

A big step for us Dxer is accomplished. 4:2:2 and Blindscan function only with the AZBOX. There is no competition for it . Now she becomes thorough test during the next dayswith the LAMINAS AS1800 in the Ku band with DiSEqC 1.2 a to submitted ones.
Ponny

[goran]

That would be great... I am looking forward to a new, good, decent function to the box!!! :respect-048:

But until I test it I will keep breathing... Too many times we were let down...:beatdeadhorse5:

[zeini]

With new beta fw 0.9.4283 blindscan works fine.

[tsakman]

Do we have sr auto or we must put it manually?

[goran]

A bug: I reserved to play something at 9pm. It asked me, when the time came, if I want to view it and I said YES. It functioned!:respect-048:

However, when I tried pressing the EPG again, as it was playing the channel I wanted - it was thinking it was still on the channel I was on before I replied with YES to the Q whether I want to watch the reserved programme...

So, you press EPG and you get EPG of the channel you were on before, not the one you are on now, watching the reserved programme...

[iwols]

does it scan all sr or just the one plz

[cerci]

I do: not in my CS network, so not open right now but it's there... Sofrenic list, re-scanned from zero by me...:coolgleamA:


Dear Goran, Would ypu please give me the Ushuaia settings from your list.
Thanks in advance..

[satwyn]

can;t seem to change s/r from 22000 on latest software in blindscan mode

[goran]

Why not? DEL/BACK button on my remote works!

Lyngsat/King*of*sat - you have it all there... ;)

[mashikolo]

gents
according to moderator from dreambox 8000 VIP club
said """The tuners are not capable of blindscanning. ""

[pascha99]

Yes,that is right,dreambox 8000 tuners ,are not able to do hardware
blindscan.

[Tarzan]

I don't think blindscan works on the AzBox HD

[pascha99]

That is not true,....tested it by myself and blindscan works with
premium+,
Elite and premium is another case,only "simple"softscan
..but the boxes was also not sold and advertised as blindscanners.

[goran]

Could you describe in detail how that works, please?

Thanx!

[pascha99]

Explaining:i deleted all transponders before scan.
So the box have to find all transponder self.

Tested on Sirius,Thor...and i got all transponder,
also transponders which are very weak,with my
experimental 70cm junk dish,in the southern of
germany.So tuner reception is also very fine.

Pictures say often more than words.

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/7947/bsscreen.png

[tsakman]

pascha99 what firmware do u use?First time i see this menu

[pascha99]

I use the newest one ,4295...
The menue you can find under "settings"--"tv channel"--"blindscan".
But only with premium+.

[joe_b]

using 4295 firmware

setup > tv channel >tuner a > scan all frequency at bottom of page.

AZbox premium

[SatSearcher]

Think this is mainly intended for use on premium+ only, not for other models.

[goran]

Which is why I asked:

A) you put in the minimum S/R [which we do not have in Elite or Premium models]
B) you chose NIT, I presume, beforehand
C) and then it does - what exacly, how does it behave, does it do:

1 [single go for all],
2 [H & V] or
3 [H + V + the known TPs already in the TP list]

runs or....???

And what does it find on, let's say, 12.5'W, please?

Can it really go through all S/Rs, all frequencies etc. and how fast?

Thanx!

[iwols]

thought software was going to be same for premium and premium +

[goran]

Not possible, as HW is different.

I.e. not entirely true. It is all inside the same FW but it must detect the HW and install what is necessary... I suppose...

So, if one has better HW one has more possibilities...

[cerci]

I have a motorised dish and when i load settings (like sofrenic) i could not get signal from most of satellites. I use usals settings, is it necessary to make some editing to get the signal?

[goran]

Yes - dish, i.e. motor/LNB/DiSEqC settings, obviously...

And re-scan everything, just in case...

[cerci]

Thanks Goran, i will try ..

[Tomas Milian]

I'll like to have, during searching, a list of founded TP and at the end just tune in the new TP and not all those TP presents in memory.

This is an example:
http://www.youimages.org/public/images/172243blindscan.jpg

Sorry for my english, Tomas.

[iwols]

I'll like to have, during searching, a list of founded TP and at the end just tune in the new TP and not all those TP presents in memory.

This is an example:
http://www.youimages.org/public/images/172243blindscan.jpg

Sorry for my english, Tomas.

hi tomas is this premium or premium+ please

[Tomas Milian]

It is Premium Plus.

[Tiptronic]

So I can't do the "blind scan" on my 'normal' azbox premium?

[gubernator]

You can try the blindscan made by software, but it's not supposed to work properly.

[Tomas Milian]

Only azbox premium plus has hardware blindscan, elite and premium searching some frequencies only by software with great limitations.

[Tomas Milian]

Only azbox premium plus has hardware blindscan, elite and premium searching some frequencies only by software with great limitations.

[Tiptronic]

So its scanning "blind" literally? :D :D :D

Who 'really' needs that anyway :D

[scopus]

I'll like to have, during searching, a list of founded TP and at the end just tune in the new TP and not all those TP presents in memory.

This is an example:
http://www.youimages.org/public/images/172243blindscan.jpg

Sorry for my english, Tomas.

Thomas

How do you get the transponder sub menu up?? I don't seem to get that on my premium plus

[Tomas Milian]

Thomas

How do you get the transponder sub menu up?? I don't seem to get that on my premium plus

I wrote that I would like to have that transponder sub menu, but it is only a wish...

[scopus]

I wrote that I would like to have that transponder sub menu, but it is only a wish...

Ahh I see...Yes it would be nice to have that. Thanks Thomas.