Help to find 39E

[SHARK 2]

I have had my TM-1500CI supper for many years with sats viewing from 30W to 28.2E all found. Try as I have I can't find 39E on any Freq.
I have tried starting from 28.2E and move fine E in small steps and can't locate 39E

? what Freq transponder is best to locate this Sat
? Is my box capable of Symbol rates of 30000

Is it time I upgraded ?? ? what new box

Info from my TM-1500CI
S/W 1.96 (updated yesterday)
H/W 1.12
LNB Freq 9.750/10.600
Diablo 2 updated with latest files

HELP Please I don't what else to try or what I am doing wrong

Best Regards SHARK 2 :bowing-036:

[Burnham]

If you have nothing to the east of 28°e you may have restricted line if sight.

Try loading up 42°e - these channels are easy to get with small dishes.

[2colby]

My set up cannot go past 36e because of high building nearby.You could try going into motorized setting /motor control/delete limit and then trying your small steps again.

[chrissat]

From 28.2E you need to lower the dish arm a fraction. Also Skew the LNB slightly. The dish itself only needs to move 'roughly' an inch.

After many attempts this worked for me. But then a storm moved my dish and I haven't been able to 'find' it again since.

I've been meaning to try, but after remembering how long it took me last time to find it I've been a bit put off.

[Gr8Guy]

It took me a good few weeks of searching, yes I mean WEEKS, to finally get 39e. All I can recommend is as Burnham says locate 42E then move the dish a fraction higher and to the right.

Also you have to go against your instincts that say the dish is pointing too low, when I finally received hellas2, it amazed me that you could receive anything at that elevation.

[SHARK 2]

If you have nothing to the east of 28°e you may have restricted line if sight.

Try loading up 42°e - these channels are easy to get with small dishes.

Thanks Burnham I have spent since your advise with dish at 42E having tried to scan the full range the only Freq. loaded and clearing is 11804V 24444 5/6
with TNT and FBTV I think 11 in total clearing. I now can confirm I can at least reach this far.

Thanks M8s for all your other idears I think perhaps the arm may need lowering a fraction. Looks like I will have to call out my Sat. engineer to get up on the roof.

Many Thanks again SHARK 2:07::07:

[jamesjay]

Hi Shark2,

You could check a few things before calling an engineer because if you can get 42e now and can still get 30w then your dish may not need adjustment, it depends on the difference in signal quality between these 2 Sat's and what size dish you have and where you are?

I am in the UK in the north west with a 110 dish and on 42e 11804V24444 I get 94% signal quality, you said you can get this transponder, on 30w transponder 12092v27500 I get 90% signal quality you said you can get 30w, I know my dish is spot on because I just did it a week ago. If you check the 30w transponder which is free to air and say get about 70% while getting about 74% on the 42e transponder then your dish doesn't need adjustment in other words if the difference between these transponders is about 5 or so percent your dish is ok.

I have also checked the strongest FTA transponder on 39e which was 12606H30000 and on my dish the signal quality is about 88%, I have given you my percentages because you can use them to check if your alignment is good and if your receiver can lock on to a FTA signal on 39e, there's a difference of 7% between 42e and 39e, the problem is, it depends where you are compared to where I am, if I remember rightly your receiver as a good and very sensitive tuner so the lock threshold should be good too.

If you can provide more information dish size, where you are and confirm the difference in the signal quality between the transponders I have posted I might be able to help you some more, but it confirms where I am there is very little difference in the signal quailty between these transponders, which should help you decided if your dish setup is OK.

[paudie]

can anybody tell me if 39% can be received in ireland.
thanks in advance.

[Giga]

can anybody tell me if 39% can be received in ireland.
thanks in advance.
https://www.satpimps.co.uk/showpost.php?p=740495&postcount=11

[SHARK 2]

[QUOTE=jamesjay;751790]Hi Shark2,



If you check the 30w transponder which is free to air and say get about 70% while getting about 74% on the 42e transponder then your dish doesn't need adjustment in other words if the difference between these transponders is about 5 or so percent your dish is ok.

Thanks for your reply I have checked as you suggested.

I am located in south west England
dish size 800 cm dish pole mounted on end gable with dish swinging over highest apex of roof.
One point I think may be relevant is that 39E is in the direct line of my neighbour house his roof line is of similar height as mine and I hope I have line of sight over his apex.

Test 30W transponder 12092V27500 97% signal 82% quality
42E transponder 11804v24444 92% signal 69% quality

Thanks Jamesjay for your post does my testing give any more thoughts

Regards SHARK 2 :bowing-036:

[chrissat]

[QUOTE=jamesjay;751790]Hi Shark2,



If you check the 30w transponder which is free to air and say get about 70% while getting about 74% on the 42e transponder then your dish doesn't need adjustment in other words if the difference between these transponders is about 5 or so percent your dish is ok.

Thanks for your reply I have checked as you suggested.

I am located in south west England
dish size 800 cm dish pole mounted on end gable with dish swinging over highest apex of roof.
One point I think may be relevant is that 39E is in the direct line of my neighbour house his roof line is of similar height as mine and I hope I have line of sight over his apex.

Test 30W transponder 12092V27500 97% signal 82% quality
42E transponder 11804v24444 92% signal 69% quality

Thanks Jamesjay for your post does my testing give any more thoughts

Regards SHARK 2 :bowing-036:

Next doors roof could very well be the problem as 39E is a very low satellite.

Not sure if you tried this..

http://www.dishpointer.com/

Will give you a good idea if his roof is a problem.

[mikey kaine]

hi all i have thesame problem with trying to get 39e , every time i tried can get nothing atfer 28e , i guess it trees so i,m gunna give it another try when the leaves have fallen. i have tried a 60 cm + 80cm +1m dishes all with the same answer , nothing after 28e

[SHARK 2]

Thanks Chrissat http://www.dishpointer.com/

very interesting site I think roof OK but his chimney may be a problem

Regards SHARK 2

[jamesjay]

Hi Shark2, I think based on my signal quality that 42e obviously looks a bit weak...it might be out and need alignment but if next doors chimney is in line of sight then you could be getting that reduced signal on 42e...but if that's the case and we presume that it is the chimney you should be able to get 39e no problem. How do you control your motor is it a stab or do you have a DiSeqC 1.2 controller such as a Gbox or Vbox and what is your signal quality like on 28.2 try this transponder 10729v22000 if this is low then it could be a very slightly out of line dish, if not it is the chimney also could you tell me the nearest Sat you can get to 39e to the west like 33e or 36e.

[jamesjay]

[QUOTE=SHARK 2;751860]

Next doors roof could very well be the problem as 39E is a very low satellite.

Not sure if you tried this..

http://www.dishpointer.com/

Will give you a good idea if his roof is a problem.

If it was the roof Shark wouldn't be able to get 42e because that is lower although it could be the chimney partially blocking 42e and fully blocking 39e it would depend on where on the roof the chimney is in relationship to the dish.

[Slap]

SHARK 2,

Find 42 East again,then inch your Dish a click at a time going West to 39 East with Transponder 10955 V 4123 to See if you can clear the Free ones like GNET and MAD TV and getting a picture,that Transponder is fairly strong and its only got those two on it and you do not need a Patch.

Then work on the rest with the upto date Patch and Softcam

[SHARK 2]

Hi Shark2, I think based on my signal quality that 42e obviously looks a bit weak...it might be out and need alignment but if next doors chimney is in line of sight then you could be getting that reduced signal on 42e...but if that's the case and we presume that it is the chimney you should be able to get 39e no problem. How do you control your motor is it a stab or do you have a DiSeqC 1.2 controller such as a Gbox or Vbox and what is your signal quality like on 28.2 try this transponder 10729v22000 if this is low then it could be a very slightly out of line dish, if not it is the chimney also could you tell me the nearest Sat you can get to 39e to the west like 33e or 36e.

Control of my motor is DiSeqC 1.2 via TM-1500CI

28.2 transponder 10729v22000 Level 97%
Quality 79% (E)

Nearest Sat I can get to 39e West is 28.2E I feel 33E & 36E will need a much larger dish than my 800.

jamesjay
Thanks again for your help I am starting to think I will have to ask next door to knock down that Chimney !!!! or I will have to move house.when I moved in here in 1972 line of sight was not very important LOL

Best regards SHARK 2:respect-053:

[jamesjay]

The reason I asked is that I use a Gbox which allows me to work out how many points or steps of the motor equal a degree on the Sat arch, in my case 3 and a bit steps is 1 degree...from 42e to 39e which is 3 degrees it would be about 9 to 12 steps on the Gbox which I would adjust manually using the Gbox remote, I would then go into the menu setting in my 6900 edit or add a 39e FTA transponder and then use the fine tune in the receiver motorised setting until I got a signal and then scan and store.

I think your 28.2 quality of 79% is fine but 33 & 36 east is not optimistic for you, you could try these, the strongest TP I have on 33e is 11596v27500 and should give you Map TV the signal quality I have is 84% you should be able to get 64ish if the chimney is not blocking your line of sight, the strongest on 36e is 12546H2734 and should give you Medi1sat and my signal on that is over 90% so if the Chimney is not blocking you and because you get 42e it is possible.

Checking these transponders will tell us more, like if it is the chimney coming into your line of sight after 28.2 and when it does, but I found it difficult to find Sats by tuning this way which is why I use my Gbox display, also if you have fine tune on your receiver use that because 3 degrees is a small adjustment on a dish you should also wait a minute after ever adjustment because it takes a digital receiver a while to lock on to the signal, so it should be little adjustments and intervals in between adjustments.

[SHARK 2]

Many thanks again tested both these transponders no signal on either.

I think 39E is not an option for me with my dish in present position.

I am away now for w/e so will think what to do next week. Many many thanks for all your advise, M8s like you make this forum as excellent as it is. THANKS

Regards SHARK 2

[jamesjay]

Sorry to hear that...I checked both transponders before giving them to you to test, I think you could have hit on the problem yourself next doors chimney blocking your line of sight, but you would be very unlucky to be able to pick up 28.2 and 42e and not 33 36 and 39e.

Have a good weekend and forget all about chimneys and dishs, James.

[Bbigfoot]

Hi SHARK 2,

Your dish size is OK for Hellas 39e and 42e, I have your problem with
the peek of next doors roof with a 80cm dish.
Nothing after 28e except, portal 6 channel on 33e (S@y promos).

39e is very low (17.5%) above horzion.
I setup a Zone 2 S@y mesh dish 60cm with motor
(£85 including dish and 2 U bolts from Gearbox) it has a clear view
of 39 and 42e, TNT on 42e pulls in 100% Sig Quality
39e NOVASport pulls in 87% Sig Quality.

BF...

[Bbigfoot]

Hi SHARK 2,

That's 17.5 degrees above horizon at 55n Latitude.

BF...

[Slap]

SHARK 2,

Have you one of those Laser light pens if so attach it to the under side of the LNB arm to see if it is the chimney when you think you are on 39 east.

[Giga]

if you don't have a laser pen, use satellite images of your area:
find your location 1st field, select 39°East in second field
mark in options top right of image area: [v] show obstacle (line of sight checker)

http://www.dishpointer.com/