Fixed dish setup please for Hellas in the middle east

[mmg123]

Fixed dish setup please for Hellas in the middle east.

I have another dish with x2 lnb,s 1 receiving hotbird the other nile sat. That was pretty easy to setup bolted on the water tanks frame on the roof. No problem but.

This second dish i have it floor mounted fixed very securely. The pole is 100% true with the sprit level. I have mounted on the dish with 49 degree elevation and the single lnb set -7.1 skew has to the settings found on dishpointer com for my position. I have factory re- set a old receiver put hellas on has the sat i want in the setup. ( I have done this because i dont want to disturb my working receiver just yet) I have done a guess judgement with a compass 39 degrees east. Conected up my signal finder and played around all day left to right up and down the pole. I just can not get anything at all.

Can anybody help me please. Kind Regards mmg123

[snakie]

Dont care about elevation degrees,just play around and be sure that you have a valid frequency with a big symbol rate.
As i already told you in another thread, look where about the sun is at 11 oclock.
Little to the left little to the right you will get it.

[mmg123]

a valid frequency with a big symbol rate. Lost me now ???????? Snakie

This other receiver has been factory reset showing all sats in antena setup everything blank do you mean manualy put one in . 2700 / feq 3/4 h/v auto ?????? For hellas 2.

[Mickha]

What size dish are you using?
Check lyngsat, flysat, or other site.
If you click on the beam links, F2, F1, S2 you will get a map showing the approximate size of dish required, to pick up the channels, in your region.

[mmg123]

They are both 1 meter ??? 1.?

Thank you just had a look call me thick still none the wiser valid frequency .

[mmg123]

I have just had browsed through this receiver the tp list from 1 to 28 frequencys and symbol rates are different eg. TP1 showing freq 10966 s/r 05632 pol ver fec 3/4 all pids blank 0000 .


I look on lyngsat and it shows 11012 v 10956 v 10964 v 10973 v 10977 v 10984 v etc I am way losted now BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT receiver only shows the one just for TP1 10966 isnt even listed.

My heads battered.

[ramjet]

you may not even have a valid transponder in the factory default list , so replies are telling you to enter a good and valid fta frequency of a transponder with working channels on the beams that are sent to your region, the point being you need an active transponder to lock onto, so use the ones listed on lyngsat, better still is to use a premade working channel list on your box and use the working fta channels to align the dish

[snakie]

Thats right,because you dont use a satellite instrument with ******** analyzer to show you the available frequencies, you need at least one known and valid frequency so your receiver can tune and lock on it.
Use
Frequency:12646
Polarisation: horizontal
Symbol Rate: 30000
FEC: 7/8
Thats a strong one , received by 65 cm dish also but with low quality.
So make small movements till you lock on it.
Once you get it and be able to scan channels you will also get Planeta Folk which is free to air channel.

[mmg123]

Snakie,

Was at it for 5hrs with this Frequency:12646 did exact setting has you said nothing.

I have looked on lyngsat cant see that but see 12647 ? New approach today just cleaned and factory set the humax i was useing. Problem again Hellas not in sat list. Thaught i would do this and input the 12467 and try again. But no Hellas sat.?

[mmg123]

Just sent original firmware to humax stll no change in the sats list in fact theres not many listed.

[satwyn]

first find ******* then you're nearly there

[mmg123]

first find ******* then you're nearly there

Sorry satwyn i dont understand ( I havent got Hellas sat in my sat list )

[satwyn]

don't need hellas as allready stated make sure you have active transponder installed under any satellite say you add a transponder that is active on hellas in another sat ******* will do firstly find ******* then move dish slightly west and you should find hellas or if you are still struggling find a good quality meter with hellas in the database so just to clarify find ******* 42e then add a frequency that is active on hellas in the ******* data then move 3 degrees west it should be that easy

[mikie8]

you may be confusing yourself if you are sticking to 39 degrees from your position , as it wont be there . its 39 dergees from long 0 . not 39 degrees from anywhere in the world .

e.g if you was in mecca ( long 39e ) you will find hellas sat at due south .

[mmg123]

Your Location Satellite Data Dish Setup Data View dish alignment line in Google Earth
Latitude: 35.0317°
Longitude: 34.0177°

Name: 39E HELLAS-SAT 2
Distance: 37149km

Motor Latitude: 35.0°
Declination Angle: 5.6°
Dish Elevation: °
Elevation: 49.0°
Azimuth (true): 171.4°
Azimuth (magn.): 167.0°
LNB Skew [?]: -7.1°
Turn counter-clockwise standing behind the dishTurn clockwise standing behind the dish
Dish Skew [?]: 90.0°
Turn counter-clockwise standing behind the dishTurn clockwise standing behind the dish


This is what i got at dish pointer for my location but i am aligning a static dish. Yes i am confused and still am mikie8.

[beansontoast]

Your satellite is 39 degrees east of Greenwich, London - and you are 34 degrees east of Greenwich. This means your target satellite is 5 degrees east of due south at your house.

Use dishpointer, put the main point on the map where your dish is & choose hellas-sat in the drop down menu & it will mark a line on the map. Use this to find a feature in the landscape to aim towards (tree, pylon etc.)

[satwyn]

if i'm correct hellas is not in the database of the receiver so an active transponder will need to be added to add new sat or as it's a fixed dish the active frequency will do under any sat as long as it's an active fta hellas transponder

[mmg123]

If i put toh hot 1.4 back on its listed so that will do wont it. Hellas is listed. Then put in the freq.

[snakie]

Your satellite is 39 degrees east of Greenwich, London - and you are 34 degrees east of Greenwich. This means your target satellite is 5 degrees east of due south at your house.

Use dishpointer, put the main point on the map where your dish is & choose hellas-sat in the drop down menu & it will mark a line on the map. Use this to find a feature in the landscape to aim towards (tree, pylon etc.)

Which in a simple way translates to: find the sun where it is before 12:00 (noon)
at around 11 ;)
Never missed a sat in the past by following the sun ;)

[mmg123]

Done some messing with this so far very greatful for all your replies.

This is where i am upto at present,

Hummy,s getting abit fedup of being re patched and cleaned. Anyway i have used the josji01 cleaning software put toh hot 1.4 back in, Pmct bis table and the latest keys bin.

You wont believe this but at dishpointer.com it put me 7klm off target for my town and zip code on the map. I dragged the map around abit and zoomed in to the roof of my apartment block and dropped the little green pointer ballon on the roof. If you look at a square roof which mine is south is in the left top corner and north is bottom right. Has snakie says look where the sun is at eleven o,clock and its bang smack in the left hand corner of the roof. So i have pointed my dish right at the south corner.The direction line on dish pointer shows a little to the right side off the corner.

So i have put in the reciever 12647 H 30000 7/8 has shown on lyngsat has a active tp showing fta chanels Gone on the roof slowly moved dish to the right NOTHING slowly to the left GETTING a signal but thats off the mark shown it should be to the right side ???????????? I just dont know now LNB -7.1 skew elevation 49 degres moved up and down pole NOTHING ONLY to the left and thats only giveing 42 percent signal no quality at all at that set freq. STUMPED and ready to jump off the roof.

[mmg123]

Still here boys sorry to disappoint you all i havent jumped off the roof just yet.

Going to have another go in the morning. But i am going to check all the cable and fittings and maybe change the LNB.

[mikie8]

dishpointer and the sun are only guides to get a general position .

move to the left/right till the signal is highest . temp fix

move elevation up/down sightly till you get best signal .

repeat till quality bar shows a signal , then fine tune .

try not to deviate from the elevation settings to far although some dishes are not perfect on there markings .

[mmg123]

Dont want to add to my problems but seeing has i am only haveing one LNB on this dish i dont need to use a disq switch i can just put the cable straight on the LNB and leave it disabled in settings.

[satwyn]

no you do not need any diseqc switch for a fixed single sat setup can't you beg steal or borrow a decent meter otherwise it looks like hellas will never be found

[mmg123]

Thanks satwyn I have got a meter going to go give it another go.

[simon 2003]

did you try re - skewing your lnb when you got a signal with no quality? like has been said as long as the frequency/fec/sym rate is correct it should not matter what sat the box is on,what id do is just get any sat you can then you have a start point and you will know where abouts you are on the arc ,any signal you get scan it and see what channels you get then work out which sat you are on,and take it from there,seems like you are over complicating matters somewhere mate dishpointer should help you get any sat you can receive in 15mins

[echelon]

might also be worth trying turk sat on 42e as its only 3 degees away from your required position

I have picked up 39e fta channels on older boxes like samsung 9500 and tm1500 so I see no reason why a humax cannot do the same , or any older enthusiasts satellite box made in the last 10 years or so , if its a standard transponder and you are in the footprint of that beam , you will pick it up

as mentioned above , try for 13e , 19e , 25.8e , 28e or 42e , then once you know you have everything working try fta channels on 39e

[snakie]

I can assure you that humax is capable to receive it just fine as i was using it for many years to adjust 4mtr dishes for locking on BBC.
Accurate - sensitive and easy lock that tuner.Awesome.
You have to wait a few days now for the weather to become better and then try again.

[Plessy]

I could be missing something here folks ?hehe..

1.2 meter Dish ! Ok,
Humax OK.

Strong Transponders as others above qouted OK.

Middle East ? That I assume to be Europe ?

Middle east of Afginastan maybe??? (No Offence) now that might be a bit of a problem.. with just a 1.2 meter dish. But I dont live there ,,, so "No Can Confirm"....

Strong Transponers for me =
39'e Hellas Sat

Eu*oSport 12.688 H 30.000, then again if you'r on the other side of the Planet "that might not work at all",,,,
42'e *******
T*T 11804 V 24.444 Super Strong Also
:-)

[snakie]

Hey Plessy,
mmg is just near the corner where i live (some kilometers away actually).
The frequencies are receivable with 65cm dish (checked by me in practise but with s p e c t r u m analyzer).
So he just needs to be sure that he done everything ok and followed all steps.

[mmg123]

Snakie then you will know about water tanks then My second dish is on there the other i am trying to align is mounted on the floor right on the end of the building the water tanks are behind it do you think they might be blocking out the signal,

[satwyn]

what sat is your other dish set on can you not try to align it on hellas then you will have the answer but make sure you mark the present position if the water tank is behind the dish then no it will not block the signal

[mmg123]

It,s on hotbird and nilesat x2 LNB,S setup that is spot on and was easy to do.satwyn

[satwyn]

well you could try to move that dish to hellas using the main lnb for hellas if you mark the position then it should be easy to move it back if you set this up yourself then can't see why you can't find 39e with the other dish must be something wrong. with the meter you should look for other sats and eventually you will hopefully stumble on 39e turn the meter up to max and move east of hotbird but all this has allready been said good luck

[mmg123]

Snakie you havent got a spare power supply for this 5400z have you. Because you wont believe this. All my messing about kept getting 70 to 72 percent best signal but no quality. I have got that p**ssed off i put the old magicbox receiver on and now i have got it.

Power supply in this humax faulty but cant rule out tuner what do you think.

[mmg123]

How would you test this. Got it from _http://www.humax-zone.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2745

[satwyn]

Snakie you havent got a spare power supply for this 5400z have you. Because you wont believe this. All my messing about kept getting 70 to 72 percent best signal but no quality. I have got that p**ssed off i put the old magicbox receiver on and now i have got it.

Power supply in this humax faulty but cant rule out tuner what do you think.what is ment i have got it have you tuned in hellas and you have now found the receiver is faulty

[mmg123]

I got it meant quality now satwyn I have tried again and this is what i have picked up so far Eurobird ku E 28.5. says in this receiver.

I assume this is eurobird 28.5 east 60 percent signal and 64 percent quality.
So i have marked it were it is. Now no matter if i move a little at a time east to get to hellas i get nothing better on the meter. I have scanned this sat and i got .

1 SLO TV1
2 SLO TV2
3 TV-KC
4 SLO TV3
5 HRT-TV1
6 HRT-TV2
7 HRT PLUS
8 RBC-TV
Eight Channels

And thats it I have put in 12647 H 30000 7/8 and 12525 H 30000 7/8 got nothing. And the Humax is faulty.

[mikie8]

I got it meant quality now satwyn I have tried again and this is what i have picked up so far Eurobird ku E 28.5. says in this receiver.

I assume this is eurobird 28.5 east 60 percent signal and 64 percent quality.
So i have marked it were it is. Now no matter if i move a little at a time east to get to hellas i get nothing better on the meter. I have scanned this sat and i got .

1 SLO TV1
2 SLO TV2
3 TV-KC
4 SLO TV3
5 HRT-TV1
6 HRT-TV2
7 HRT PLUS
8 RBC-TV
Eight Channels

And thats it I have put in 12647 H 30000 7/8 and 12525 H 30000 7/8 got nothing. And the Humax is faulty.

i dont recognise tose channels as being on 28.5 , your most likely looking 13E .

[satwyn]

what frequency is rbc tv on i have it on hotbird but it could also be on 28e

[mmg123]

RBC TV 12519-27500-3/4-v Same 8 channels show up on hellas if i scan that.

[echelon]

I got it meant quality now satwyn I have tried again and this is what i have picked up so far Eurobird ku E 28.5. says in this receiver.

I assume this is eurobird 28.5 east 60 percent signal and 64 percent quality.
So i have marked it were it is. Now no matter if i move a little at a time east to get to hellas i get nothing better on the meter. I have scanned this sat and i got .

1 SLO TV1
2 SLO TV2
3 TV-KC
4 SLO TV3
5 HRT-TV1
6 HRT-TV2
7 HRT PLUS
8 RBC-TV
Eight Channels

And thats it I have put in 12647 H 30000 7/8 and 12525 H 30000 7/8 got nothing. And the Humax is faulty.

those channels are on hotbird on 13e which is 26 degrees away from where you need to be , so its pointing at hotbird at the moment

[satwyn]

RBC TV 12519-27500-3/4-v Same 8 channels show up on hellas if i scan that.

can't see this frequency listed on hellas try an active hellas transponder

[echelon]

here in the uk I get the voice as fta on 12524H 30000 , also riksat on 11146V 3333 , planeta - skat and kanal3 on 12647H 30000 , gnet and mad on 10956V 4123 and taraf on 12688V 30000

[mmg123]

Not tried them yet echelon but thank you, what i cant understand is i have put in 12647 H 30000 7/8 and moved the dish all the way round a fraction at a time and i mean a fraction all the way left and all the way to the right. And i get nothing at all no variation in signal at all. I just keep ending up in the same spot 90 degrees west of south . Thats the only place i get a signal. But not with the above freq . Followed steps has told, does,nt matter which sat i am on just use a valid hellas freq , I just dont know whats wrong at all. ( NEW FITTINGS NEW LNB, NEW CABLE I HAVE CHANGED THE LOT )

[echelon]

Not tried them yet echelon but thank you, what i cant understand is i have put in 12647 H 30000 7/8 and moved the dish all the way round a fraction at a time and i mean a fraction all the way left and all the way to the right. And i get nothing at all no variation in signal at all. I just keep ending up in the same spot 90 degrees west of south . Thats the only place i get a signal. But not with the above freq . Followed steps has told, does,nt matter which sat i am on just use a valid hellas freq , I just dont know whats wrong at all. ( NEW FITTINGS NEW LNB, NEW CABLE I HAVE CHANGED THE LOT )

left and right isnt enough , up and down is also a factor , as the sats are in an arc due to the fact that the world is round ( or elliptical ) , and so as hotbird is probably higher in the sky to you than hellassat then you need to drop the elevation as well , as it will be further left and lower down compared to hotbird

unless you subscribe to the flat earth concept with a turtle holding it up ? :D

[satwyn]

you also need to adjust elevation not only move e=w so try lowering the dish a little

[mmg123]

Thank you guys i will have another go tomorrow, i still have a handful of patience left. :banghead:

[satwyn]

Thank you guys i will have another go tomorrow, i still have a handful of patience left. :banghead:don't forget unless you adjust the elevation you will never find hallas the elevation will be lower than what you had it on hotbird

[snakie]

Hellas is not lower than hotbird, is higher elevation than hotbird.
Centre of south is 34 degrees, hellas is 39.It means its just a little lower then the higher point of elevation.

[satwyn]

well i've just moved my fixed dish from hotbird to hellas and i had to lower my elevation setting to receive a signal but in other locations outside the uk it could be different

[satwyn]

left and right isnt enough , up and down is also a factor , as the sats are in an arc due to the fact that the world is round ( or elliptical ) , and so as hotbird is probably higher in the sky to you than hellassat then you need to drop the elevation as well , as it will be further left and lower down compared to hotbird

unless you subscribe to the flat earth concept with a turtle holding it up ? :Dcan you possibly clarify matters i agree that hellas is lower in elevation than hellas but others disagree to me it makes no sense that the dish needs to be raised from 13e to move east to 39e i have just moved fixed dish from 13e to 39e and had to lower my elevation to receive a signal

[echelon]

can you possibly clarify matters i agree that hellas is lower in elevation than hellas but others disagree to me it makes no sense that the dish needs to be raised from 13e to move east to 39e i have just moved fixed dish from 13e to 39e and had to lower my elevation to receive a signal

frankly I agree with you and dont care what others think , I dont claim to be a world authority on satellites and maybe I get the terminology or theories wrong at times but I know what I am trying to put across here

the fact of the matter is the OP was moving left or right and not moving up or down and that is the crux of his problem due to the fact he has taken no account of elevation while doing this task and all movements should be taken into account

the rest is just semantics and arguing of which I will play no part and maybe some people should grow up and act like adults ;)

[snakie]

User who needs help is in Cyprus.
The true south is in 34 degrees.
With satellites arc it means that is the highest elevation for a dish pointing at that direction.
Since hellas is on 39 it means while standing behind the dish , move it little to the left and lower a little bit the elevation.

[ming]

Just read post and after looking at KofSat and satfinder. Looks like the 8 channels are on 13e. To change from there to Hellas you should from the back turn the dish round to the left about 35-40 degrees. Dish elavation should go up 5 degrees from 43.6 to 49 hope this helps

[satwyn]

left 35-40 degrees up 5 degrees sounds like the golden shot

[mmg123]

I have not been on for a few days I still have not found hellas sat with following all your steps and advice I have left it alone because its been driving me mad I am not the kind of person to give up This sat is there has you all know and i will get it if its the last thing i do.

I just want to thank you all for all your replies and help But just a thought before i have another go. why do you think that i have not found this sat yet despite all my attempts following what everybody has said so far Can anybody give me any reasons.

[snakie]

it could be that your lnb is skewed correctly as i told you, so you receive signal but you cant get quality because the satellite polarisation and lnb polarisation are out of phase.
Or your receiver is not locking correctly and fast enough.Or both.

[Plessy]

This is very odd indeed.....

Maybe Set Scew of lnb to 0' and move dish east and then instead of elevation, try and tip top half of dish to eastward direction (i.e) as if dish like an egg is leaning over to the left (not vertical) then try the up and down bit.... ( Sorry for the non technical language)...

Don't Get me wrong as I am lucky to live on top of mountain and old house faces south, it is quite ease with just a compass as a general guide for me to locate anything 42'e to 39'w,,,, But to understand Arthur C Clark's belt is not something learned overnight, however I would maybe try another RX even a cheaper Silvercrest SL-65 model can lock on to the frequencies mentioned above......

Most importantly Don't Give up hope just yet..... The clocks are going forward soon so you'll have more daylight to play with it.

[ming]

Just read post and after looking at KofSat and satfinder. Looks like the 8 channels are on 13e. To change from there to Hellas you should from the back turn the dish round to the left about 35-40 degrees. Dish elavation should go up 5 degrees from 43.6 to 49 hope this helps

Sounds like a golden shot but just shows how far out your dish is if your receiving the said sats (8 listed) do you know where south is :confused: wish i was in Cyprus

[mmg123]

Thank you, there must be some reason, i do know where south is and the beam for Hellas So i will try what both snakie and plessy have said to root out the problem. snakie, maybe i will head towards getting a new receiver, is there one what the humax will do using fausto or server wise. This receiver i am using just to find the sat is a Super California Magicbox 111 .

[mmg123]

I have great pleasure to announce that i have finally found Hellas sat.
I would like to thank everybody here for all their patience and continous support.

Following everything said i stood back today and took a closer look at the dish, i noticed on the elevation scale on the left side was 48 degrees and 49 on the right side, yes the bracket had a twist in it, so i took a firm hold of it and twisted it back. BINGO:respect-040: SIGNAL AND QUALITY.


I want to say b**tard yes all them times up and down the roof.


THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN ALL A LESSON LEARNED.:bowing-036:

[simon 2003]

:party::smilielol5::banghead:

over a 1000 veiws 60 + replies we have found a sat
well done mate :)

[ming]

Good to hear it:bravo-009::grouphug:

[snakie]

:D damn! that means i wont come over to have a coffee now ...

[mmg123]

You can have a coffee anytime Snakie,


Without your help and other valued members i would of never have done it.:respect-055:

I knew this was a good site, i stated that in my introduction when i first joined and so glad i did.:respect-051:

[Plessy]

Brilliant News mmg123 !

Glad to hear you got it sorted M8 ! and also that you didn't leave it get the better of you !

:bravo-009:

[chicka]

Great News mmg123 :hurray:
Sent you PM but I do not know if I have enough posts to do so. It does not show in my sent box.
Anyway Happy Viewing
Chicka :D

[mmg123]

Thank You Chicka,

Yes i got your pm,:respect-051:


Kindest Regards