ka band lnb

[satwyn]

looking for a ka band lnb so far with no great success going to try the eutelsat ka band sat at 9e rte testing no idea of the dish size needed but been told it's tight on ireland might be able to pick it up here on the north wales coast with a 1.8m prime focus dish freq 20.185L anyone receiving the signal in the uk

[excollier]

There will certainly have to be a ready supply of Ka lnbs soon, as Saorsat has started test broadcasts, and several people have lashed up a temp Ka to their dishes over here, and have been watching.
I would imagine that these lnbs will need to be very affordable, so as soon as they are released, I or someone will post here to let you know.
As for content, well it will be an exact replica of Saorview DTT, to infill the blind spots left by the DTT transmitter network.
I live in Ireland and my wife watches RTE for one hour a week, otherwise it's Freesat.
See these links for more info.

_http://www.saorview.ie/

_http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056279953

[satwyn]

going to try norsat on tuesday they make ka band lnbs they will hopefully supply me with one

[pipino]

looking for a ka band lnb so far with no great success going to try the eutelsat ka band sat at 9e rte testing no idea of the dish size needed but been told it's tight on ireland might be able to pick it up here on the north wales coast with a 1.8m prime focus dish freq 20.185l anyone receiving the signal in the uk

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[satwyn]

yes had seen that one but decided against it not ideal for what is needed but could be adapted norsat make ka band lnbs will give them a ring on tuesday

[pipino]

get ready to see prices like 400$ up from Norsat LNB

[satwyn]

never pay that much for an lnb if nothing is availble cheaper will wait untill the service is up and running then prices should be cheaper

[pipino]

never pay that much for an lnb if nothing is availble cheaper will wait untill the service is up and running then prices should be cheaper

i just wanted to let you know ,, i have used Norsat PLL lnbs and they are realy expensive

[tx0]

guys how far one can get the signal from that Irish service? Is there a footprint?

[gbmitie]

well snap, I am here in west of ireland and like all things sat so just researching how to get saorsat. Its that ka band lnbf thats the stumbling block and looks odd but where to buy.

As for receiving saorsat, the rumour is not a hope in the uk and we may even struggle in east of ireland, RTE want no overfloww because of viewing rights, would cost them more.

They are going to use spot beams, this is a bit like cell phone technology, so beam frequency here in west can be reused in france say and knock out RTE beam. Or the spot in UK will stop RTE.

here is a little map that shows how its expected to pan out.

xxp://www.satsig.net/tooway/ka-sat-spot-beam-coverage-footprint-map.gif

of course these spot beams could be the future and not good but a few years away yet.

gbmitie:respect-050:

[satwyn]

yes spot beam on ireland but i could be lucky here in north wales close to the irish sea so the french signal problem hopefully can be avoided spoke to norsat and and was told £900 for ka band lnb yes it is £900 so will keep searching there is one on **** but would need modifying and the voltage i'm told is 30v so the 18v from a sat receiver will not work i think any advice on how i could power the lnbf to supply the 30v

[gbmitie]

wow 900 quid, well thats that for a while, it could mean RTE will get a job lot for ASO but that wont be until dec 2012. I think Ill just get a vu+ duo and fiddle with that.

Will keep my eye on things.

[Barney]

i have RTE 1/2 via analogue aerial (fta)
also via Soarview Digital Mpeg4 (fta)
Also via $ K Y with any minimium Subscription to $ K Y
But just cannott tell you the last time ive had any kinda desire to watch those channls ...:20::20:
i deffo wouldnt spend big money on an L N B ... it just simply 'aint worth it :banghead:

if you really need to see something on RTE channls just use RTE player its free at least it is for me here is link to it ... :

http://www.rte.ie/player/#

-----
Barney

[satwyn]

it's the thrill of the chase not going to be watching the irish channels but i will get there tooway ka band will probably work if i wanted the channels 28e would be the best option with an irish sub card or even an aerial pointed at mt leinsteris also worth a go

[excollier]

There will be affordable Ka lnbs later this year, there will have to be to get this service up and running as some people here in Ireland won't be able to receive Saorview DTT.
I have asked my usual supplier and he says he will stock them as soon as he can get them, but it will probably be Autumn or winter before they come on the market.
Patience and I will post when I know any more.

Som extra info if you do get a Ka lnb, thanks to Apogee and The Cush on an Irish forum

Saorsat Tp on Ka-Sat = 20185 MHz / LHCP
Ka Band LNB LO = 18750 MHz
IF Frequency = 1435 MHz (20185 MHz - 18750 MHz)

Ku receiver frequency displayed = 11185 MHz (IF 1435 MHz + Ku Lo-Band LO 9750 MHz)
scan that frequency with SR 25000, FEC 1/2, QPSK, DVB-S2.


It may be useful later.

[satwyn]

been looking at e bay usa for a hughes ka band lnb but no success these apparently can be used to receive the signal on 9e with no feed needed just the lnb taped next to the ku lnb with good results

[excollier]

Yeah, thats what some over here have been doing, with good results, mostly men in the trade.

[satwyn]

can't seem to find one of these lnbs not even in the usa my only concern is the french beam hope it does not cancell out the signal over here on the north wales coast

[excollier]

The news is that the Ka lnbs will be LHCP (left hand circular polarisation, no skew) and that HD/S2 boxes seem to have no problem with this.
I would hold fire until the lnbs are released over here, they will have to be a fraction of the current prices, and will most likely be designed to fit a standard lnb collar.
I will post details the very day I get news of a supplier and price.
The French beam may well cancel out the Irish one in GB, only time will tell.
Patience required.

[satwyn]

tooway ka band lnbf could this be powered from an ordinary stb 18v the power input is 24-30v i think

[catseye]

It seems strange the ROI would use circular LNBs/Ka band for DTB broadcasts these days

I always though it was old school technology or specialised stuff for outside broadasts

Its been years since the nordic countries used it on Sirius satellite

I mean ITV & BBC have a footprint of UK & ROI for their broadcasts but with right set up folk are watching these channels in Canary Islands!

It would be more attractive to encourage viewers to switch to digital sat & be able to either use existing Sly box or dedicated FTA box similar to UK

Otherwise means buying new stuff in a country where money is tight at present

[satwyn]

no way this ka spot beam will reach the canary islands not even a hope in most of the uk they use the ka spot beam to protect copy rights i have no idea why they need to go down this route 28e allready has all the irish channels on protected by nds card as for the circular polarity probably h v would have been ok but not sure with the sat being ka band

[hechicero]

dont think you can use a standard receiver to power the tooway lnb.
i have installed a few of the tooway systems and tried to line them up using horizon meter. there was not enough voltage to power the lnb.
had to use a inline bleeper meter with the feed from the modem

[excollier]

no way this ka spot beam will reach the canary islands not even a hope in most of the uk they use the ka spot beam to protect copy rights i have no idea why they need to go down this route 28e allready has all the irish channels on protected by nds card as for the circular polarity probably h v would have been ok but not sure with the sat being ka band

RTE are using this method exactly because of the very tight spot beam.
It means they can broadcast totally FTA and protect their rights issues, no overspill to the UK.
They need to do it this way because roughly 5% of the population here cannot receive the newly implemented Saorview DTT broadcasts, so a FTA satellite broadcast is the simplest solution.
To issue Sky equipment to all the affected people and a FTV card would prove very expensive, RTE are broke, as is the country.
To use Ka-Sat will only cost around €1.5m per annum, way cheaper than FTV on Astra 2D, and way way cheaper than FTA on same, because of the UK wide footprint and the associated rights costs of broadcasting to a very much larger audience.
Hope this explains the reasons why.

[excollier]

A quick update on the Ka lnbs: the supplier I normally use will be speaking to importers later this week.
He says the manufacturers need huge volume orders to justify production, so don't hold your breath.

[satwyn]

i'll buy 2 not sure if that will change their minds

[satwyn]

A quick update on the Ka lnbs: the supplier I normally use will be speaking to importers later this week.
He says the manufacturers need huge volume orders to justify production, so don't hold your breath.do you have any advice where i could purchase the hughes ka band lnb have been looking so far with no success

[excollier]

Sorry, I don't.

[satwyn]

well my hunt continues just curious is there anyone able to receive the soarsat signal in the uk ka band 20.185L cornwall or wales coast would be a good place to try but the ka band lnb is a problem can't as yet get my hands on one so if anyone can help i would be greatfull the hughes ka would do the job for now untill ka lnbf's come on the market the sat is ka 9e

[excollier]

Satwyn, pm me for a link to a Wild blue Ka lnb for sale, relatively cheap.

[satwyn]

the hughes lnb arrived today from america and i now have soarsat rte irish tv up and running on 9e ka band signal 66% quality 28-30% on a channel master 1.2m using a spiderbox the lnb was mounted horizontally with no feed horn or polariser this is only avalable on KA band 9E the quality is now up to 36% after a bit of tweaking can't maxamise the signal yet as my meter gave up the ghost last week

[Captain Jack]

Wow, so you're receiving Irish Ka band in North Wales? Sounds like the spot beams are not as tight as originally thought....

[satwyn]

yes i agree with a tweak the quality is now 0n 50% but the signal is constant on 68% my meter is broken so i can't maxamise the signal but a smaller 1m dish should also work probably the signal should also be receivable in some parts of england with the right sized dish but there is some talk of the french beam causing problems only further tests will show how far the signal will reach i'm also interested if any others are able to receive this signal in england wales or scotland

[excollier]

Well done! Saw your post on boards.ie too

[bob]

@satwyn, which Hughes Ka Band did you use, and any mounting problems?

bob.

[welshpaddy]

hopefully ill get it in co.down n.ireland

[satwyn]

@satwyn, which Hughes Ka Band did you use, and any mounting problems?

bob.no mounting problems i will if i can post some pictures next week and i will also give you the ka lnb details just to add the lnb will not directly mount onto an ordinary lnb holder but it's easy to make an adaptor took me no time

[satwyn]

i can't see a problem in co.down the person who sold me the ka lnb says he has another if anyone is interested in testing the signal

[bob]

Satwyn, thanks for the quick reply, and pictures would be good for all us wanting to try this out. I was thinking of ordering the DirecTv SWM 3 LNB. This may be a problem to mount, will try to get more info.

[satwyn]

the swm 3 is not what you need either the hughes or tooway would be a better option these are known to work the tooway needs 24-30v to power so that's why i use the hughes also the tooway is an all in one rx tx type and can't be seperated so if you are interested in receiving the signal the hughes ka is your best option at this time i use mine with no feedhorn or polariser with signal at 70% quality 70% on a 1.2m in wales you would need to seal the front of the lnb from rain ect

[satwyn]

@satwyn, which Hughes Ka Band did you use, and any mounting problems?

bob.hughes lnb fss 19.7-20.2ghz p/n 1027441-0005 revK

[John896]

I have just bought the same hughes ka lnb as satwyn from the usa,should be here by end of next week,then i have to decide do i move my fixed 2.4m dish.From 26 east to 9 east and keep it at 9 east permanently for sarosat.

[satwyn]

you could first try the channel master 1.2m that's what i used the lnb was mounted vertical not horizontal as previously stated make sure it's the right way up all you need is some longer screws to attach to the lnb holder frequency display should be 11.185 no matter if 14 or 18v symbol rate 25000 also i used only the lnb no feed it seems that there will be another spot beam same frequency over england so there could be some problems when that beam is active

[excollier]

I have just bought the same hughes ka lnb as satwyn from the usa,should be here by end of next week,then i have to decide do i move my fixed 2.4m dish.From 26 east to 9 east and keep it at 9 east permanently for sarosat.

Are you by any chance Irish?
I ask, because at the end of the day you wont gain much by getting Saorsat (Irish news and current affairs).
Other than that it's all UK and USA programming....Eastenders with a commercial break anyone?

[John896]

I am welsh and from swansea i have rte one through sky with an northern ireland sub,however i would save myself £19.50 a month with sarosat.I only want rte one so i can,watch shortland street.

[excollier]

I am welsh and from swansea i have rte one through sky with an northern ireland sub,however i would save myself £19.50 a month with sarosat.I only want rte one so i can,watch shortland street.

Fair enough.
I live in Ireland, but I haven't a clue what Shortland Street is.
Can't remember the last time I watched Irish tv!

[satwyn]

is it not possible to buy a one off card for rte like the freesat card we used to have here they used to cost £20 last time i bought one

[bob]

No RTE is only part of the Sly Basic Package in Northing Ireland.

[excollier]

No RTE is only part of the Sly Basic Package in Northing Ireland.

The same in the Republic.
What, exactly, is Sky?:puke:

[John896]

Shortland Street is a New Zealand soap opera,broadcast on Rte One.

[excollier]

Must ask my sister, she lives in NZ.

[John896]

Well the ka band lnb came this morning,here are my results using a 2.4m dish and AZBox receiver Signal 90% Quality 62%.

[padser1]

Hi guys' just looking at the posts bout Ka band lnb's - and thought you should check out
********************* - saorsat wont be fully op til Oct 2012, by then you may not get the overlap in Wales. If your in a good signal area in Wales, why not try upgrade DTT aerial (SaorView) its on UHF signal nowwhich is stronger than old VHF. Best info you will find is on *********************

[Satcat]

Oops, somebody hasn't read the rules.

[Cband]

Hello all, consumer LNB's are seemingly soon to be available. For now most of us who want to get an early view are using modified hughnet LNB's from the US. See details of the DIY LNB at,
********************************* *************

[satwyn]

the rte channels are now up and running reported elsewhere but i have not tested the signal has been reported as being reduced in power so if correct even harder to receive ouside the intended footprint i will give it a go when i get time it was ok on a channel master 1.2m before the signal drop so will see what size dish is needed now i have a 1.8m i can try a bit fiddly to mount the hughes lnb but things will improve with a proper lnbf when they come available

[Cband]

The power does indeed seem to be down. Even on an 'optimized' 80cm system with propoer feed.

[skilcom]

******************* in Ireland have twin Ka Band LNB's in stock. 40mm collar so will fit all satellite dishes apart from sky dishes.

[zg3409]

Hey satwyn,

The Signal probably won't be strong enough now to be received in Wales. It seems to be down 7dB and you would need the proper LNB and a hell of a dish. Even with the biggest dish it probably won't be possible in much of wales anymore.

There is no guarantee the other spots won't start broadcasting at any moment increasing the noise on the frequency.

I attempted to PM you but I need 15posts for that :(
Can u PM me?

[zg3409]

They are for sale on an online auction site now. Search Ka LNB Saorsat

[bob]

There is one Irish site I would not recommend, if you need an LNB a bit quick, 7 days to day still no LNB, double the price of elsewhere, and just gone up again. Now £6,458.73, don't know if this includes shipping, LOL.

[Skanco]

This supplier seems to take 5 to 6 days to despatch, and delivery from ROI to the UK can take around another 5 days, I got an LNB from the USA quicker.

[skilcom]

Ka Twin LNB now on UK site as well as on an Irish site, google Ka Twin LNB and its on page one

[fred fickle]

Wow, so you're receiving Irish Ka band in North Wales? Sounds like the spot beams are not as tight as originally thought....

They cannot fully control the spot beam and anyway people living in the east of Ireland with plenty of valleys and mountains who cannot receive Saorview MUST be able to receive ******* or their human rights and equality will be breached which can be pursued with the E.U. in Brussels. That is the only reason RTENL have to cover the country as a recent contributor stated they are broke and would not spend money like that unless they were forced to. Forgot to mention the gombeens who decided to use 9 east when 99.1% of satellite viewers in the Republic use 28east and all this claptrap about rights issues is a joke with the BBC broadcasting to the whole of Europe FTA (I have received nearly all over) and no rights issues there.

There will be affordable Ka lnbs later this year, there will have to be to get this service up and running as some people here in Ireland won't be able to receive Saorview DTT.
I have asked my usual supplier and he says he will stock them as soon as he can get them, but it will probably be Autumn or winter before they come on the market.
Patience and I will post when I know any more.

Som extra info if you do get a Ka lnb, thanks to Apogee and The Cush on an Irish forum

******* Tp on Ka-Sat = 20185 MHz / LHCP
Ka Band LNB LO = 18750 MHz
IF Frequency = 1435 MHz (20185 MHz - 18750 MHz)

Ku receiver frequency displayed = 11185 MHz (IF 1435 MHz + Ku Lo-Band LO 9750 MHz)
scan that frequency with SR 25000, FEC 1/2, QPSK, DVB-S2.

P.S. New KA twin Lnbs are 34squid on *******.

[oscar]

Just to add.
Bolted a KA lnb along side my ku lnb on a 1.3 prime focus dish and receive the Irish service from 9E here on the west coast of south Wales.
If I recall lnb cost around £30 delivered in March 2012.
People further east are unable to get the service due to an interfering spot beam on the same frequency --- I must be lucky at my location being just that bit further west.
Regards.

[cosworth4x4]

@ oscar, west coast of south Wales ? , i thinking of getting a lnb to play with but not sure if ill get the signal here are you east or west of neath.

cheers.

[harrydocuk]

with the correct lmb would a spiderbox pull in soarsat? i live in belfast n.ireland

[cosworth4x4]

spiderbox and corect lnb will work if signal ok, best map ive seen so far is this one .green line ok east of that getting dodgy.

map thanks to zg3409 .

[mike p]

Hi Harrydocuk,

As far as i'm aware the spot beam is primarily focused on the island of Ireland so you should be able to receive the ******* service
with the correct setup. Hope this helps.

Mike.

[mike p]

Ooops Cosworth4x4 posted already as i was typing....Mike

[cosworth4x4]

Belfast is also on the green line so no guarantee

from what ive read if correct they use the other 2 footprints to jam the signal, so not like a normal footprint were it just fades off and you need a bigger dish , once you hit that red line its a no signal.

[mike p]

Hi cosworth4x4,

It would seem you are correct in what you have said. Sorry if i have inadvertently caused some confusion.

Regards,
Mike.

[cosworth4x4]

no worries we all here to learn , myself included.

[oscar]

cosworth 4x4.
Sorry for the late reply to your question -- spent the last 3 days house painting.
I live West of Neath in Pembrokeshire ---between Haverfordwest and St.Davids right on the coast.
Some in North Devon get a signal but I read somewhere that Swansea was a no no .
Regards

[cosworth4x4]

i ordered a lnb today so will find out next weekend weather permitting and item arriving.

cheers.

[oscar]

Don't know where you are. I believe you are correct with your understanding of the 9E signals --- where 2 beams cross the stronger one will be the one you get.
I am well inside the "green line "
Good luck ---it's not the programme content --- it's the challenge.
Regards

[cosworth4x4]

Good luck ---it's not the programme content --- it's the challenge.

im on the green line , so i recon its going to be 50/50 chance , but yeah defiantly the challenge and just to see if it works or not.

[cosworth4x4]

i had a spare half hour tonight and bolted up the lnb , did a scan of 11185 but nothing at all can anyone confirm this is 100% correct freq to use.

there is hell of a lot of adjustment available on the lnb so i could have been way off on that as its such a small feedhorn.

if freq is correct ill see if i can get a signal first on my meter.

cheers.

[bob]

Try this.
10.765V
25000
DVB-S28PSK
1/2

[cosworth4x4]

thanks weather permitting ill have another go in daylight Saturday.

[cosworth4x4]

had another go today and can receive it at 44% just east of Swansea, thats on a channel master 1.2, the lnb was moved as far forward as possible in the bracket to get the strongest signal.

either the receiver or lnb seems very fussy one or the other shuts down if i select a ku band channel then go back to one of the rte channels i get no signal on them , takes a while then for them to come back on unsure why.

but at least it is possible in this area.

thanks to bob freq worked perfect, :respect-048:

[John896]

Just had a new 1.2m channel master dish fixed on 9 east,all the rte channels are coming in.Signal is strong 75% here in Swansea.

[cosworth4x4]

im only a few miles from you , you say fixed at 9 east that just for the rte channels 75%.

seems a very big difference if you quoting the ka band channels.

[John896]

Yes the dish is fixed at 9 east signal is around 75%,for the rte channels ka band.

[cosworth4x4]

thats not bad then , i know the signal fades off further out , if you getting 75% did you really need the 1.2 seems a waste fixed for is it still 5 channels

[John896]

Six tv channels on there rte one,rte two hd,rte news now,tg4,rte jr,rte one+1,and ten rte radio stations.

[cosworth4x4]

wont argue over 1 :)

[John896]

There are some good channels on there too be fair.

[cosworth4x4]

what lnb you got on there ?

[John896]

Inverto Twin Ka Band LNB.

[cosworth4x4]

thanks i cant even recall the lnb i got , ill look tomorrow as it was before Christmas last year i tested mine.

[John896]

You might get a better signal,if you are going too try it again.

[cosworth4x4]

yeah it may well have changed as a long time ago.

[John896]

Very true a long time ago.

[cosworth4x4]

Inverto Twin Ka Band LNB.


its the same lnb ive got .

[John896]

You will have too try the signal again.

[John896]

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[cosworth4x4]

yeah that seems a big signal improvement , perhaps next week may have a play about as off on holiday weather permitting.

:king-042:

[cosworth4x4]

just had a play about 60% the best i can get but still a improvement in signal from last time i tested, i guess few more miles down the road possibly pyle bridgend the signal will be gone.

[John896]

Do you think tv3 and 3e will every join 9 east.

[cosworth4x4]

i honestly dont have a answer for you on that sorry.

[John896]

It would be good if they did,all the irish tv channels free on satellite.

[satwyn]

cheapest i've seen the upper band ka band lnbs around £500 but for the lower band ka for rte they are under £30

[satwyn]

latest update on rte 9e 20.185L hooked up an inverto KAband lnb to an andrews .90cm dish and signal still comming through loud and clear using spiderbox 6000hd frequency displayed 10.764 s/r 24995 V S76 Q64 i was told the signal had dropped dramatically in the last year or so but still no problem here on the north wales coast

[John896]

Still no problems here in,Swansea too 75% signal.

[satwyn]

Still no problems here in,Swansea too 75% signal.what size dish are you using ? is it the c/master 1.8M

[John896]

1.2m channel master dish.

[satwyn]

1.2m channel master dish.you would probably pick up the signal with even a smaller dish seems ok here on a .90cm have nothing smaller to try at the moment

[John896]

Me either i don`t have any thing smaller,the 1.2m is fixed on 9 east just for the rte channels.

[John896]

Two new test service channels are on labeled as Seirbhis Thrialach.

[bob]

These test transmissions are for RTE One HD - this is now announced for 21 October on DTT, and possibly TG4 HD as well.
Seirbhis Thrialach translates to Trial Service.

[gbmitie]

what is going to happen on 21st oct is that RTENL will fire up the 2nd mux on the DTT platform. What we are all hoping that this will hearld in RTE ONE HD or pseudo Hd and along with it TG4HD. At the same time these will be duplicated on *******. It is not a given that we will have anything extra on 21st october. And remember HOMELAND is not in HD on RTE TWO HD!!

[John896]

58901
Not a bad test card from the test channels Seirbhis Thrialach.

[bigd20047h]

REMOVED LIVE LINK TO ANOTHER DEALER sell them
I got one for about £35
tried to pick it up in Belfast very hard to get here

[gbmitie]

Ist his still receivable in south wales and what is the frequency for a solo 2?

[cosworth4x4]

Ist his still receivable in south wales and what is the frequency for a solo 2?

I have no info to help you at the moment , still got a Ka lnb but no time to test .

[gbmitie]

I will test my set up next week but the triax ka band is now £124.00 and the inverto £99 !!! People here ein ireland are having difficulty getting a good enough signal since some changes in July 20.

[cosworth4x4]

Let me know what you can see , Price on everything through the roof at the moment world is crazy.

[fred fickle]

I got a Triax Ka band lnb for 36euro last month.

[fred fickle]

I will test my set up next week but the triax ka band is now £124.00 and the inverto £99 !!! People here ein ireland are having difficulty getting a good enough signal since some changes in July 20.


Do you think tv3 and 3e will every join 9 east.

This is unlikely as too expensive for Virginmedia as they are covered for Saorview.

[gbmitie]

I set up the inverto K band lnb and got all the channels with no trouble. Those with problems are opting for Triax. Where did you get it for 36 euro.?

[fred fickle]

P M me for link.