S4000 firmware?? Already forgotten

[blakmumba]

Have the Koreans forgot that there are users of the S4000? An updated firmware release has been long overdue.
ColdAsIce any news on what's going on behind the scene?

[ColdAsICE]

Have the Koreans forgot that there are users of the S4000? An updated firmware release has been long overdue.
ColdAsIce any news on what's going on behind the scene?

Nothing happening behind the scenes I'm afraid.
Its that time of year that the whole of the Far East goes offline.

[ManikM]

haha not worth installing anyway when it does come out.

[reboot]

Get back under your Bridge Troll!

[blakmumba]

Get back under your Bridge Troll!
+1

[ManikM]

ok ok!
im back under it.

[JaapS]

I don't think it's about the Koreans.
Octagon has 1.11.30 and also got 1.11.18 so I presume it is all a matter of dollars.

[blakmumba]

ColdAsIce, have they actually dropped support for the s4000? the software update within the ice menu returns a http 404 error & f/w 11.44 has not been released.

[blakmumba]

Just been informed that the ice 4000 has been discontinued (shopping websites also confirm this); so my suspicions regarding the above post are confirmed and the silence from ColdAsIce (posted the above whilst Cold was replying to other threads) also confirms this or should I say the silence 'speaks volumes'..

Only thing they needed to do was create 1 bloody working firmware and the idiots and I quote 'IDIOTS' couldn't even accomplish that.

[satnoobie]

Just been informed that the ice 4000 has been discontinued (shopping websites also confirm this); so my suspicions regarding the above post are confirmed and the silence from ColdAsIce (posted the above whilst Cold was replying to other threads) also confirms this or should I say the silence 'speaks volumes'..

Only thing they needed to do was create 1 bloody working firmware and the idiots and I quote 'IDIOTS' couldn't even accomplish that.

It's a pity you can't add more ram as this box doesn't seem to have enough, with more memory it might just be able to do the job it's meant to.

Just my two penneth.

[ManikM]

can i come out from under my bridge now and say "SELL YOUR BOXES" - why put yourselves through this pain!!!!

[ManikM]

can i come out from under my bridge now and say "SELL YOUR BOXES" - why put yourselves through this pain!!!!

[blakmumba]

can i come out from under my bridge now
Lol...respect

[fatboy7]

can i come out from under my bridge now and say "SELL YOUR BOXES" - why put yourselves through this pain!!!!

LOL.

'DONT SELL YOUR BOXES' - They are 1w in standby and keep the bottom the bed lovely and warm in the winter months.

[ManikM]

best place for em!

[blakmumba]

Just been informed that the support for s4000 hasn't been withdrawn and the reason for not releasing 1.11.49 & 1.11.54 was due to them being 'unstable' (what's new there) and when a new 'stable' f/w gets the 'ok', it will be released to the general public (which is never).
I take the above with a pinch of salt but you decide!!!

[ManikM]

which will be never!!!

[zippy7272]

Pricey - but get yourselves a solo2.........it just seems to work! (running Blackhole image)

[ColdAsICE]

Due to the bitching of certain Trolls that wont stay under theirs Bridges I'm posting this firmware for you guys to test.
I know it wont fix all the bugs and it wont add all the wish lists but its to show that we haven't stopped supporting the S4000.

The pinch of salt is not required, but if you did take it I hope it tasted nice!


p.s. I compile the bug lists and help as much as I can with testing and proving the firmware but the code itself is not ours to work with, so please refrain from shooting the messenger.
The S4000 is using the older SDK so its firmware has to be backwardly developed from the newer models firmware which explains the delay in releases etc it also introduces errors which the other models dont suffer from.
Its not because we don't support it anymore or because we dont give a s**t as mentioned on here.
Its easy to flame a product when you want to sell a newer/different model/make etc,
but it doesn't help the owners of that product which is the whole idea of a forum like the pimps and the main reason why people are looking on here.
Its not to read the comments from Trolls who no longer own or care for this product and keep coming back and sniping it.

To the Troll who I know is reading this all I can say is "Go and get a life!"

[echelon]

I have owned one of these s4000 for over 3 years and as far as I am concerned the idiots who do make the firmware have had plenty of time to make something that works properly. as you well know a product sold in the uk has to be fit for purpose and this box has never had firmware that is fit for purpose which has led to this name calling and bitterness from owners towards the messengers and the firmware developers

you only have to look at other boxes released since the s4000 came out to see that their firmwares get regular updates and can be deemed as "fit for purpose". the reason we "dont care" about these boxes any more is being let down continually over several years after buying the product as you can only "care" for something for so long before ditching it in favour of something that actually works. using the octag*n software actually makes it work better than any of the cr*p offerings from icecrypt as I can attest to myself.

it is my opinion that the whole icecrypt section should be removed or closed due to the inability of the people making the firmware to actually produce stable working images that do the job properly from day one of the boxes being sold, or soon after, waiting over 3 years for a stable firmware does not constitute good customer service or support

this is why people complain so much in this particular forum, including myself, as we want the support to actually do the jobs we were promised when buying the box and if bosch or hotpoint or nissan can take responsibility for flaws in their products going back years then we should expect no less. under the sale of goods act we should do a class action and seek redress from the courts which we have 6 years to do here in england and wales (5 in scotland) . I do not believe either you nor they actually understand this basic concept !

my point is these developers should make one stable and working firmware to be proud of, that fixes bugs on the s4000

alternatively they should release an open source firmware that makes the box work as a linux box similar to the alien or the tm twin as open source from the flash instead of us having to have alternative boots in order to load linux images from usb sticks

its clear to me and many on here these developers do not have the same agenda as we do, but they should actually do something to retrieve the reputation of these boxes, or throw in the towel and lets cut our losses and get rid of the whole section on here and stay with boxes like the VU that actually do what they say on the tin (the RONSEAL effect)

you had your rant, so I had mine , which I am entitled to as an owner and a consumer; and NOT a retailer.

[blakmumba]

@ ColdAsIce; unfortunately I DO own both the s4 &s6 models and with the premium price tags of each model, you can't half expect for me or anyone else who owns 1 not to b***h or moan about the bugs in each firmware releases or should I say LACK of with the s4000. It's taken the developers 5 months to release the next firmware for the s4 and without testing it (not at home to d/l and test) I can GUARANTEE anyone reading, that the epg and the time shift bugs still exist. This is a on going problem since the initial releases which the developers don't seem to understand or just over look.
Regarding others who don't own an icecrypt...I'll let them comment ;)

[ColdAsICE]

Thanks for the rant Echelon but as I said in my previous rant I'm only passing on the firmware as supplied and reporting back the issues found.
The issues reported here and directly to Icecrypt are passed back to the Koreans I assure you.
Octagon do the same as Icecrypt the differences in the firmware releases are caused by the Korean suppliers.
The fact the German market is larger means that they get more attention obviously but they also suffer these errors to a fair extent.
This lack of attention to the UK Market is costing the Korean supplier as well as Icecrypt market share which they wont ever be able to recover.
You are of course entitled to your opinion and as a owner and user of the product I respect that.
It's understandable that you wish to paint the whole of the Icecrypt range with the same brush because of your experience with your S4000 but its unfair and misleading.
Not all of the the Icecrypt range are from the same manufacturer just like Octagon, TM, Amiko and most of the other OEM brands.
They all source products from varies different manufacturers.
Some of the Icecrypt range are from the very same factory as one of the OEM brands that you mentioned as an alternative example except Icecrypt are the official UK distributor and not a Hungarian import which means the Icecrypt version has UK enhancements such as functioning UK 7 day DVB-T2 EPG etc which the Hungarian version doesn't.

Anyway back to the original thread!

Icecrypt has not forgotten or given up on the S4000, even if some of the members here have and to try and keep up with the Germans I'm posting the latest version hot from Korea.
If you still have an actual interest in your S4000 and want to try it.
please let me know your findings here.

p.s. I have pointed the Koreans to this very thread so they can see your comments regarding the outstanding EPG and other development issues.

[echelon]

what you are failing to realise is that satpimps has no obligation to support these products and so if things dont change soon I intend to see to it that its discredited and perhaps completely remove this section as there are many boxes we do not support like the skybox / openbox /amiko receivers to name some of the many clones or copies or similar words where rebranding takes effect, like your s3700 which I have no intention of buying

I see the proof of the pudding as in the eating and have no commercial interest in these receivers, but one rotten apple spoils a whole barrel and it wouldnt take me long to change your name to "frozenout" or your same ip m8 to "retired" or to "giventheboot" and to remove both posting rights as well !

setup your own support forum if you dont like what is said here but try to read the uk sales of goods act at some point in the near future and if you wish to provide support then do so in a proper manner and make sure that there is a valid and stable firmware that works and stop blaming the box for being out of date as there was plenty of time to sort this out when it was "current" and "in date" and when t*rbos*t was actually selling them and I believe 3 years is more than long enough to fix the ongoing problems

so do not blame out of date SDK firmware and programs as there was a time when it was "in date" and current and I fail to see why we have to let them reverse engineer new firmware when they didnt even fix the original firmware to customers satisfaction. they should have fixed what they had before embarking on new products and trying to port it to older products. excuses wont wash m8 , not after 3 years of excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse after excuse !

in all the time you have been posting s4000 firmware here , not one of them has made the grade, NOT ONE !

in other words , put up or shut up and tell those numptys to do the same or otherwise there may not be a section for you to post anything in as I dont see why we should support these boxes when clearly neither you nor the firmware makers can be trusted to do so once the sales have been made but these ongoing issues are costing satpimps a reputation that I will no longer go along with or support

all I am asking for is one solid and stable firmware for the s4000 that has the owners singing its praises here in the uk (and I dont care if its sdk bespoke or E2), that has been my mantra to you over the last 3 years and will continue to be so until you either put it right or exit the building

ps:- we had this disagreement over 13 months ago here https://www.satpimps.co.uk/showthread.php?155839-What-are-the-latest-models-like-compared-to-the-4000

I subsequently proved the box works on HD using the octagon firmware which blows your hardware and hdd and inherent fault theories out of the water

we also had a run in about this some 12 months previous in 2011 as well, showing its a constant battle that wont change until the firmware is fixed to everyones satisfaction

https://www.satpimps.co.uk/showthread.php?149781-Symbol-rates-over-30000-glitchy&p=803796 and here
https://www.satpimps.co.uk/showthread.php?147231-s4000hdpvr-development&p=803422

nothing has changed in all of that time, mainly due to various holidays like dragon boat and new year and the german satellite show and a star trek reunion and mothers day and fathers day and any other fffnn reason they think of for not doing any work, unlike their korean m8 boxer who has released more spiderbox 6000 patches in the last month than they have done for the s4000 in the last 12 months

[blakmumba]

I compile the bug lists and help as much as I can with testing and proving the firmware.
I'm not being funny nor arrogant, but how exactly do you 'test' & 'prove' the firmware prior to release when clearly EACH & EVERY user is having problems with the epg, time shift, random crashes etc etc. What do you exactly test & succeed in to deem each firmware reliable when many others including myself have nothing but more problems or should i say 'bugs' with each & every new firmware released?. Do you actually test the firmware yourself or do you just agree to what has been passed on to you?


The S4000 is using the older SDK so its firmware has to be backwardly developed from the newer models firmware which explains the delay in releases etc it also introduces errors which the other models dont suffer from.
You can't be serious....FIVE months to release a firmware & only AFTER all the b****ing and moaning us 'consumers' or 'trolls' have been doing!

I'm with echelon on this one. 3 years to sort the s**t out and it's still not sorted & the excuse is MAJOR lame, 'backwardly developed'. It's only been a month or so the s4000 has been discontinued so in essence what your saying is when the s6000 or any model released after the s4000 were released, the users of the s4000 were f**ked and basically were given what they got to keep em 'satisfied' regardless wether the firmware worked or not.

Honestly ColdAsIce; I ain't having a dig at you personally but you gotta admit, this is beyond a joke. They can't even sort out the STC6000 so what hope do the users of the S4000 have!!!!

Sent from my iPhone

[blakmumba]

the Icecrypt version has UK enhancements such as functioning UK 7 day DVB-T2 EPG etc which the Hungarian version doesn't.
I've lost ALL hope after reading the above.


p.s. I have pointed the Koreans to this very thread so they can see your comments regarding the outstanding EPG and other development issues.
Which 1 is it? In the above quote 'functioning 7 day epg' or in the 2nd quote 'outstanding epg development issues'

ColdAsIce...your not reading us users correctly; the epg does NOT work in either the S4000 or the STC6000!.

Sent from my iPhone

[fatboy7]

It's understandable that you wish to paint the whole of the Icecrypt range with the same brush because of your experience with your S4000 but its unfair and misleading.
Not all of the the Icecrypt range are from the same manufacturer just like Octagon, TM, Amiko and most of the other OEM brands.
They all source products from varies different manufacturers.
Some of the Icecrypt range are from the very same factory as one of the OEM brands that you mentioned as an alternative example except Icecrypt are the official UK distributor and not a Hungarian import which means the Icecrypt version has UK enhancements such as functioning UK 7 day DVB-T2 EPG etc which the Hungarian version doesn't.

Hi ColdAsIce.

I'm not band wagon jumping, I think everyone knows my views, but.

Just to pick you up on the above quote, we are talking about the Fulan box which has a few different tweaks (brand related), but in essence is the same primary hardware for all flavours weather GM, Amiko and even Icecrypt, so how can Icecrypt claim they have working EPG's and T2 tuners etc, when its firmware is Spark or Enigma 2. The box may be assembled in the UK with a UK plug on it, but I'm struggling to believe that Spark has bent to Icecrypt's wishes and have there own version (I could be wrong). I suppose at least Icecrypt managed to react the Spark Whether Channel exploit, in a timely manor.

Sorry, the Fulan box has been around for a while and is a bit cheeky for Icecrypt to join the game late and try and gain credit for something they have probably have very little involvement with (thank goodness).

I've seen very little on here for the S3700, doesn't look to gaining much momentum, despite all the other brands really going for it in the way of development for both Spark and Enigma 2 (please don't ask the Koreans to do anything for the S3700 it works fine without their involvement).

Its a shame the S4000 and to a lesser degree the S6000 haven't worked out, and I know it always comes down to the 'Why should I' or 'not fit for purpose', but I haven't looked back from skipping down the Enigma road some time ago, i appreciate you really need to do a lot of homework to get E2 running super smooth on a S4000 but it is an alternative. I do try to keep the E2 side of the S4000 fresh and supported, just to keep the box's alive, which again is another nail for the coffin, why can Enigma 2 work with just developers time and passion (poorly funded), and our box manufacture cant correct donkey's years old elementary mistakes.

I'm starting to rant - I'll stop.

[fatboy7]

Slightly off topic, but Icecrypt tend to follow Octagon and they are due to move to a new box SF8 HD E2.

They have obviously ditched the need for Korean programmers and went MIPS based with full Enigma 2 support and boast images from openATV, OpenPLI, SIF-Team, VIX, PKT and HD-Freaks.

Interesting...

[JaapS]

This won't help but paying 200 pound for a dual tuner HD box with hard disk included makes one wonder where that price comes from since a (real) dream box cost 3 times that much.
Wait till the Chinese will start selling cars here... ;-)

ColdAsIce thanks for trying to bring something positive!

[Friendly-Face]

Fortis have released a new box with MIPS processor take a look at _tiviar.com_ or search for the Tivir Alpha Plus /+
Seems to me more like an Vu+ Solo2 based on the info, but deliverd with another SW and later on Enigma2 maybe as it is same thing on pappers

Fortis 9200 that i have had from the start have been converted back and forth to diferent models, from relbox, Octagon, Icecrypt,Atevio basicaly all models from same factory have same problem, but one thing this boxes have common is the Picture quality that no other box that CubeRevo comes near it, and all this STI boxes have common problem the support of STI and their drivers is non existent, and this is why we read here and there that STI is now being reverse enginnered to make live easy. Anyway i would not like to write more so i do not upsett anyone here that maybe a problem for me and my thinking :-)

[JaapS]

Before the 4000 I owned a Relook-400 and also this box had a lack of decent firmware, One Belgium dude (deeptho) ordered for the source code and started his own work based on the original firmware called Neumo.
I have been running HIS code on the Relook until I bought the Icecrypt.
Maybe this can be done with this S4000 software to?
Maybe ColdAsIce can order for the software (if it's under the GPL they HAVE to give it) and post it somewhere so some of us can reveiw and try to find out what is wrong?
As far as I am concerned the best place to start was the original S4000 firmware not the newer (back ported) versions...

[Ctobi]

Is it possible to release the software for the 6000 so I'm rid of the annoying radiobug ?

[ManikM]

i miss my icecrypt

[satnoobie]

i miss my icecrypt

I wish I was missing mine.

[fatboy7]

I must say thank you to ColdasIce for his continued efforts in pursuit of a solution, despite my previous posts I can understand and sympathise with all the efforts and gains made over the years with our box's.

I understand now and appreciate that the demand may not be there any more as only 37 downloads of the new test firmware and Icecrypt's latest official release only amounted to 350, this unfortunately paints a picture for demand.

I say this with regret but given the decline in general interest in our beloved box's, I'm going to retire mine for a newer model.

I don't want to be a 'Troll' (no offence mate), and would still like to help in the E2 section if I can and if you will let me.

In summary - I cut my teeth on this box, and I've loved and hated it, but I would like to say a huge thanks to everyone on this forum for the help and support you gave me in the early days and hope I've managed to reciprocate.

Please Guys, keep it up.

Enjoy...

[ColdAsICE]

all your efforts have and are appreciated.
It seems that unless Fortis get there act together very soon they wont have any resellers of any value left.
They have announced a new range of receivers(not the MIPS Tivir brand which is dead in the water imo) based on the new ST chipsets but I cant see many of the existing resellers pushing them due to the previously poor software support.
p.s. As far as I know Icecrypt are not following Octagon into MIPS.
ST chipsets still produce the superior video and audio quality which is the most important feature of a HD satellite receiver all we need now is for the bells and whistles to work as well.

[blakmumba]

ColdAsIce; any news if the Koreans are working on the release of the much improved firmware recently released for the 6000 to work on the s4000?. Would be nice to know how things are progressing & how long left for the long awaited release for the 4000 :)

[satnoobie]

ColdAsIce; any news if the Koreans are working on the release of the much improved firmware recently released for the 6000 to work on the s4000?. Would be nice to know how things are progressing & how long left for the long awaited release for the 4000 :)

Maybe there's a glimmer of hope.

[ColdAsICE]

I am still waiting for the official release of the test 6000 firmware.
I don't know what is holding it up but it will be out as soon as they release it.
Hopefully the S4000 will appear at the same time.
I have my fingers crossed.