BBC red button 28E

[dave1234]

Hi All, I am trying to get some BBC red button in Spain on 28E, , lyngsat & KofS say that its on the Europe Ku beam which I can get. I don't however get any signal for the RED button TP 12422 GHz H on either a Sky HD box or a BLADE 7000s. Does anybody have any ideas ?

Thanks in advance

[dave1234]

Hi Manic thanks for your reply I guess this must be the most plausable explanation, I also now know that upgrading to a 1.4 metre dish will not help . Cheers

[dave1234]

Yes, I may retune to see if there are any new red buttons, Its weird that they transmit Film4 plus 1 and not Film 4 on 27W as I guess its pretty easy to make Film 4 into Film 4 plus 1 with some kind of buffer but of course impossible to do the reverse!

[Detlef]

The main BBC red-button channel is on 28.2E (10773 H) which is on the UK spot beam.

There are currently Red-button channels on 12422 H 27500
RB2
RB3
6804
6805
6806
all showing the moving logo RB screen

plus

RB HD (DVB-S but MP4 like the Japanese News channel) which my setup can't resolve as it clears the VPID to 0 ).

I guess they will be in use for Wimbledon though.

[Detlef]

. . . . I don't however get any signal for the RED button TP 12422 GHz H on either a Sky HD box or a BLADE 7000s. . . . .

Persevere with the BLADE as I have a feeling in my water that Sky boxes may have a hidden black list for some transponders.

Just to add to my post above, here are the full details for BBC RB2:
12422 H 27500 2/3
VPID: 5100
PCR: 5100
APID: 5101
SID: 6802
PMT: 256
TID: 2037
NIT: 2

just in case your box needs them to be entered manually.

[Detlef]

Jusrt did some playing about with an Amstrad HD Digibox that has a basic entertainment sub (but not the HD addition).

The following are now on the Sly EPG:

980 RB HD (showing a Wimbledon promo)
981 RB1 ( bits of CBeebies)
982 RB2 (moving logo RB screen)
983 RB3 (moving logo RB screen)
--- 6804 (moving logo RB screen) }
--- 6805 (moving logo RB screen) } add channels
--- 6806 (moving logo RB screen) }

So Dave, if you can get the pan European beam they should be available.
Should point out that I'm normally OK within the UK spot beam so you need someone else in Spain to give you a signal strength report.

[Detlef]

Quite a few ex-pats are having trouble with 12422 H.

Have a browse around the link I PM'ed you.

[great dane]

12422 H all coming through loud and clear in the Algarve - 1.6m Gibertini

[dave1234]

Yes, thanks to all for the info, as I now know that the signal is probably there I will try on my TM 5402

[dave1234]

Tried a few things. My signal strength seems ok I can even get well the North europe beam 1.2 M dish southern Spain near Malaga ( For Channel 4 Ireland with sly subscription ). When I try to add the tp 12422 the TM5402 says this Tp already exists but when I scan the tp list on sat setup the nearest tp is at 12418 but showing no signal. When I do a blind scan I don't get the red buttons but strangely I get BBC olympics channel, not scrambled, good signal but can't open it 11428 H apid vpid 8191. I would be grateful for any ideas thanks in advance

[nml]

I am in the same boat, I am quite near to you close to Granada.
I can get all of the european beams over 80% quality 14-17db on a Gibertini 1.5 with Black Ultra lnb I can even get a good signal on an old 90cm on a motor, but nothing on 12422 so like you I am a bit baffled because I cant see any reason why we cant get it. I use Vu boxes with my own channel list.

If I have any success I will post.



Tried a few things. My signal strength seems ok I can even get well the North europe beam 1.2 M dish southern Spain near Malaga ( For Channel 4 Ireland with sly subscription ). When I try to add the tp 12422 the TM5402 says this Tp already exists but when I scan the tp list on sat setup the nearest tp is at 12418 but showing no signal. When I do a blind scan I don't get the red buttons but strangely I get BBC olympics channel, not scrambled, good signal but can't open it 11428 H apid vpid 8191. I would be grateful for any ideas thanks in advance

[Mickha]

Are they scanning in?
if you can't see them listed, on your receiver, check that they haven't scanned in as data channels, using dreamboxedit, changing them to TV, and uploading your newly changed list, is quite easy.

[great dane]

Don't know whether this will help you?
On my TM 5402 M3 I had to "Add Channel" manually (under "Channel menu") entering transponder, Channel name, video PID, Audio PID, PCR PID, Video type and Audio type - and save - after that it worked. (King of Sats has all the details)
Please tell us how you get on.

[nml]

No they are not scanning in. Already checked with DREAMBOXedit, nothing. Also checked with the Satcatcher meter no lock nothing.



Are they scanning in?
if you can't see them listed, on your receiver, check that they haven't scanned in as data channels, using dreamboxedit, changing them to TV, and uploading your newly changed list, is quite easy.

[Mickha]

Just tried manually scanning them in and they scan in fine, although 3 of them scan in as 6804, 6805, and 6806, or something similar, and the other 3 as BBC Red Button 2, red button 3, and red button HD.
Scanning in 12422 H 27500 DVB-S
Currently running Black Hole 2.15
but I am in the UK.

[Detlef]

Just tried manually scanning them in and they scan in fine, although 3 of them scan in as 6804, 6805, and 6806, or something similar, and the other 3 as BBC Red Button 2, red button 3, and red button HD.
Scanning in 12422 H 27500 DVB-S
Currently running Black Hole 2.15
but I am in the UK.

Yup that is what I get in N. Europe. Remember a Sly digibox or a Freesat box accesses the extra RB channels via a sub menu (blue button) which is why they don't all have names.

[great dane]

@dave1234

All six red button channels now up and running transmitting different matches from Wimbledon.
If you haven't yet managed to get them scanned in then try again now.

[vamas]

very good signal here in Malta with 1.8 channel master.

[Detlef]

Tried a few things. My signal strength seems ok I can even get well the North europe beam 1.2 M dish southern Spain near Malaga ( For Channel 4 Ireland with sly subscription ). When I try to add the tp 12422 the TM5402 says this Tp already exists but when I scan the tp list on sat setup the nearest tp is at 12418 but showing no signal. When I do a blind scan I don't get the red buttons but strangely I get BBC olympics channel, not scrambled, good signal but can't open it 11428 H apid vpid 8191. I would be grateful for any ideas thanks in advance

I think you have found the problem. If you have the Olympic it means that you probably have all the 12422 channels by their SIDs but with the wrong VPIDs and APIDs. Try deleting all channels on that transponder and then re-scan.

All the 12422 VPIDs and APIDs lie in the 5xxx region. If re-scanning doesn't work see KoS for the correct IDs and add them maually (not sure what editor works with your box though).

[vamas]

as from yesterday, I have no signal anymore. i tried to scam them in but signal is gone! (???)
(I still managed to see what was on BBC1 & 2 on android box but of course not as much as the red button....)

[dave1234]

Thanks all for your ideas. Tried the latest 28E channel list and did see the transponder 12422 H on the transponder list on the sat setup menu but no blue bar! So possibly it must be my dish and LNB thats not up to it. But conflicting info as to weather 12422H is on european beam or uk beam! cheers to all

[Aldo]

The following info was posted on the other forum by william-1

Astra 2E @28.2 east UK Beam - 10773 H 22000 5/6

BBC Red Button-1

Astra-2F @ 28.2 east UK Beam - 12422 H 27500 2/3 DVB-S/MPEG-2

BBC Red Button 2
BBC Red Button 3
BBC Stream-4 id=6804
BBC Stream-5 id=6805
BBC Stream-6 id=6806

BBC Red Button HD MPEG-4/HD

Currently in use for Wimbledon Tennis & Sports Highlights

[dave1234]

Hi All thanks for info. Vamos can you get the spot beam in Malta ? Just tried loading latest 28E channel list and 12422 H now shows up on the transponder list but on the sat setup menu it shows no signal. So possibly its dish or lnb but can get Dave with 90% signal. But is 12422 on uk or european beam? There is conflicting info on satbeams, lyngsat, and KofSat

[vamas]

@ dave 1234,
This frequency should have been on Euro beam but now no signal at all. I have also tried it on another dish I have being a 1.2 mtr on which I do get signal for Food network free to air 2 channels.
I notice that since about a week I have lost a lot of signals on these Sats at 28.2 on both dishes. On my 1.8 mtr I used to get about 790 channels when scanned and now only got 634 when i scanned last on Monday. Maybe they have reduced power on all these sats (?)

[dave1234]

Hi Vamos thanks for the info, I was wondering if you were able to get the uk spot beam before the signal weakned ?

[nml]

@ vamas, no they have not reduced the power this has been caused by the fact that now 2g has arrived all the transponders from Eutelsat have been transferred to 2e,f or g, many to to the Uk beam also other transponders have been switched.

@ dave1234, as I said I am quite near to you close to Granada, I have 2 dishes a 1.5 and 1.25 mtr Gibertini and the UK spot beam signal is just not strong enough to lock it is so low no quality at all shows on the meter hence no 12422, however when it cools down a bit I am going to realign the 1.5 and will let you know.

Hope this helps.

[dave1234]

ok Vamos look forward to hearing from you in due course