Installed new T and K brackets

[rasp]

Taken the dish down and put new t and k brackets with the help of my son.

Checked the motor was ok on the pole put the 1 meter dish and pole back up checked level with pole level ok

Set the elevation to 27 did not usals because due south would hit the wall.

Managed to get 13.0e 16.0e 19.2e the signal 100% and agc is 90%on all three sats

Tried 23.5 and 28.2 no signal at all

[echelon]

the pole needs to be plumb in all directions for starters, waste of time until that is done, put the dish on 27.5

ideally you should have used usals, as this doesnt send the pole south unless you choose to use those sats in your menu

so lets assume you decided to choose 19e as the centre of operations, so set your usals up in the menu, select astra 19e

the motor moves to the 19e position relative to your gps , peak the signal

then try the extremes of 13e and 28.2e sats in your case, fine tuning once you hit them

then try all sats in your range, AVOIDING ANYTHING CLOSE TO YOUR WALL

if necessary remove or deselect any sats that cause the dish to hit the wall, like 0.8w thor and 4.8e sirius

as long as you dont select any sats like 0.8w and 4.8e you will be fine, so concentrate your efforts between 13e and 39e (or 42e) , choosing the mid range as the start point, so maybe 23.5e for the starter for ten

hope that makes sense ?

ie:- usals wont make it go to 0.8w south unless you actually SELECT 0.8w channels

on my lads spiderbox he would hit the wall at anything past 15w so 15w , 22w and 30w are all deselected in his channel list and we set his up using 5w as the western sat and 42e as the eastern sat , we used USALS, we never hit the wall !!

[Mickha]

Remember to set your motor limits, to avoid the dish accidentally hitting the wall.

[rasp]

Jut got back in from checking the pole it was a little bit out adjusted it got drenched it's really fine rain.

When on 19.2 e 100% with DiSEqC set it to Usals no signal how much should the dish move it moves to more 28.2 or beyond


Set the cordinates from dishpointer for my area

[echelon]

sounds to me as if its all setup completely incorrectly

start by adding your usals to your box, making sure the correct west or east setting is used, plus the correct NORTH as well

so lets assume its 2.2w and 53.4 north , set those coordinates in the box and select 19.2e , the motor moves to the correct point

ignore the markings on the motor, they are not relevant

ensure that the motor elevation is set to the same latitude, so lets say 53.4N and lock it

now leave it on an FTA 19.2e channel like news or weather etc (any) and move the motor body left or right around the pole until the picture comes on the tv or monitor, then peak the signal, if necessary moving the dish elevation up or down ever so slightly too

once the signal is peaked, lock it up

now try 13e and 28.2e and do any fine adjustments as required

then try the other sats between 42e and 13e or 10e , but dont allow it to hit the wall so no going too close to zero degrees

once its working with usals, switch to diseqc on each sat from usals, move , store , back to usals , next sat , find and store repeat , repeat , repeat

[rasp]

Box is set to 5_. _1 north lat and 0._75 west told not put exact details in


The motor elevation is set to the same as lat

[echelon]

on your box ensure you have as close a match as possible, but you can round it up or down to fit and be up to half a degree out so it doesnt have to be an "exact match"

you should not put the exact details on this forum as gps details can give you away to other people who read it

the point is that you put those details in and select a sat like hotbird or astra and the motor moves to the correct place , doesnt matter what the pointer on the motor reads as this will vary for different locations and wont be say 13 east or 19 east for over 95% of people and it certainly isnt for me here in Manchester

once the motor has been sent to the correct position using usals, you then physically move the motor around the pole until you get that chosen satellite, fine tune and then lock the motor and dish up , then test the other sats

if you were doing it the diseqc v1.2 way, you would have to calculate where the pointer should be on the motor for a given satellite, send the motor to that point and then physically move the motor until that chosen sat is found

ie:- you cannot just lock the motor in any position and then use the diseqc move option to find your sats, which is what you appear to have done

when its done correctly, the motor wont move at all if you change from usals to diseqc and back to usals on any given satellite , so if the motor moves at all when swapping over you have not set the motor correctly

[rasp]

Have not tried anything today it's ****ing down and my back is killing me.

What i do last night was try move the dish after adjusting pole and got 60% on 23.5 e.


Echelon:

What i am going to do copy all your reply's and save as a doc. file.Thanks

[echelon]

just for info, plus for anyone else reading this

the zero pointer on your motor always points at true south relative to your location (gps)

so if you were in western ireland at say 4 west, the zero pointer on your motor would point at the 4 west satellite

but if you were somewhere in europe at lets say 13 east, it would still be zero degrees on your motor pointer

so as you can see , the motor pointer rarely tells you the sat you are pointing at

so if somebody was at 4 west or 13 east , they would be told to move the motor to zero, disconnect the motor and connect the lnb, then point the whole motor assembly at either 4w or at 13e , until they get a picture, then to lock up the motor, that is a manual install based on true south

unfortunately for you, you say the dish would hit the wall at zero, so at true south

so you have to line up on another sat, the easiest method is to use usals and then maybe tell it to go to an fta channel on 23.5e

then line up on 23.5e in your case , then test the other sats

[rasp]

I have started to do it, put the dish on 19.2e with USALS went up and loosened the four bolts on the pole holding the motor and moved it east and west nothing

Went back to DiSEqC with a bit of tuning got all three sat back 19,16,13.

[echelon]

doesnt sound like it aligned correctly, as I have said before

the fact you get 3 sats close together is not unusual because they are strong sats and close together, but your motor isnt tracking the correct arc which is why your others are missing - once you "get" the concept of tracking a certain arc you will see why your scenario is possible yet you are doomed to failure

put it on usals for 19e , then try left and right on the pole plus slightly up and down on the dish elevation until 19e fta channels boom in, then lock it up and test 13e and 16e, if they come in try 23.5e and 28.2e as well

I have just tested my spiderbox on my darkmotor and no problem with any of them here in greater manchester , but I had to readjust my motor due to bad weather a couple of months ago so my system is tracking the arc correctly

[rasp]

I have got a Vu box and the tuner is rubbish compared to the spiderbox which i sold.

[echelon]

my motor also works fine on my vu solo2 as well, using a catseye list, using usals

[rasp]

If my long is 0.555 west is that how it goes in settings on the box:

Or 5.55 west.

[Mickha]

If your Longitude is -0.555 then you can round it up, or down. I would just go for 0.55 West. Only a -5.55 longitude would be 5.55 West.

[echelon]

just checking my old vu duo 1 (BH image in the flash) on my darkmotor

in your system setup

config = Simple
Mode = Positioner (selecting Satellites)
Press Ok to select satellites

Longitude (for you would be) 000.555
__________________________West
Latitude is something like say 053.451
__________________________North

Extra motor options = No

alternatively , you can set the longitude at 360 - 0.555 east, which is 359.445 East

the zero pointer on your motor would need to point due south, which for you your true south is almost thor at 0.8w because you are slightly west of London Greenwich and so is thor

[mister-t]

seems to me like as echelon has said your not tracking the arc,i installed new motor and made my own stand out of scaffold pole and scaffolding clips as can not use t&k brackets at my location,heres how i sorted the arc out,find your strongest sat whichever you decide is strongest for signal for you,use diseqc,when on strongest sat mark that position with a felt tip marker on your pole or wherever you will be able to see it,mark where the lnb is posistioned at,now put in your usuals,the dish will move a fraction away from where it was,now move the mount to that position you have previously marked
adjust for best signal,usuals will be spot on if everything is set up correctley,tighten bolts evenly watching signal if possible as tightening bolts more on one side can adjust signal,my way is long winded
but even with an old 80cm mesh dish i can average 99%signal on the main sats,28e 23e 19e 13e,i use a vu uno and signal is fine

mister-t

[rasp]

I got a triax 1.1 mtr dish which i think is too big and is to close to wall and cannot get true south.

What should go for instead a 78mm or 88m.

I am in south wales and you see what sats i can pick up.

[Mickha]

Can you post any pictures, of the dish/mount?
I would use dishpointer.com, put in your postcode, then zoom in on the map, moving the icon to your house, and see if you can better site the dish to at least get 1W to 39E.

[Mobley2]

You have never mentioned what size T&K brackets you fitted, for most sites the 18" usually work, but you can get 24" ones.
These should be more than adequate to keep any Dish from banging into the wall. I would be more inclined to go down this
path rather than reduce the Dish size.

regards mobley2

[digicon]

You can get 36" T&K's if your that way inclined or have some fabricated to your own measurements

[echelon]

my dish is a triax 1.1 metre dish and I used the larger standoff T-K brackets , plus I also used the longer ones at my lads house and yet he would hit the wall past 15 west (with an 80cm dish) so we removed those sats from 15w to 30w out of his spiderbox sat list, so he cannot go that far west

as you are in south wales, double check your longitude is correct becasue manchester is 2.1w and yet wales is west of me , so more on a par with liverpool or conway I would have thought

[rasp]

I have got new 24in brackets 2t 1k dish is still close to wall, I have 2mtr scaffold and plenty of cable brought the dish down the pole for easy access to work on as i am by myself doing it.

As for my longitude it's something like 0.678 west not exactly (from dishpointer)

[echelon]

I got a triax 1.1 mtr dish which i think is too big and is to close to wall and cannot get true south.

What should go for instead a 78mm or 88m.

I am in south wales and you see what sats i can pick up.

cannot be right for south wales !!!

I have just looked at south east wales on bing maps and dishpointer and this is what I get for say gloucester

Address: gloucester
Latitude: 51.8642°
Longitude: -2.2382°

so that is approx 2.24 west , not dissimilar to manchester at 2.1w

and for Bridgend

Address: bridgend
Latitude: 51.5043°
Longitude: -3.5769°

which is 3.58 west

and further west oxford in england is

Address: oxford
Latitude: 51.7520°
Longitude: -1.2577°

which is approx 1.26 west

whereas say slough is

Address: slough
Latitude: 51.5105°
Longitude: -0.5950°

which is 0.6 west, meaning that 0.67 is more on a par with Slough in england, not south wales

or more like High Wycombe , in england

Address: high wycombe
Latitude: 51.6286°
Longitude: -0.7482°

so a longitude of 0.678 puts you in england, not wales, and not south wales either

pm me your nearest town or village or city and I will pm back a rough idea on longitude and latitude

and half your dish diameter is less than 24 inches so no way would it touch the wall and 24 inch T-K brackets , the boom arm and lnb maybe but not the dish (a 1.1m dish is maybe 42 inches or less, so 21 inches is the radius so maybe 3 inches away from the wall at 90 degrees , or two inches taking into account where the pole goes)

[rasp]

It's 43 and half inches m8 say 22inches each side

Although the brackets are 24in full length the holes for the u bolts are about 1 1/2 inch or more in.

[echelon]

ok , so due to the pole not being 24 inches from the wall then you are saying the dish just hits the wall due to not enough clearance, so the ideal would be if it was something like 26 inch or 28 inch T-K brackets and not 24 inch T-K brackets, which makes sense , so a 90cm or 95 cm dish would suffice, possibly a smaller one as my lad uses an 80cm dish and gets the stronger sats ok including 13e , 16e , 19e , 23.5e , 28.2e and 39e

as for your gps, I have received your pm and sent back the correct longitude and latitude settings and I am afraid you were way out by several degrees in your earlier posts but the south wales reference earlier gave me more idea that you were further west than I am and so greater than 2.2w, so my last post in post #24 gives you good ideas on where you should be and what to use as well as the accurate pm

so use the settings I sent you by pm, for accuracy

[rasp]

Eche:

Sorry so long in getting back had not had chance to try and sort anything.

I am uploading a couple of pics.

The dish is pointing to 23.5.e with USALS nothing at all on any sats now set lat/long as advised and elevation at 27.5.

Double checked pole was OK with boat level all the way round.

Ordered a 90cm dish will be here in a couple of days.

I have to go up the ladder adjust come back down and try again and the go back up i can not climb and focus properly.

When i enter west is it .357.or.3.578
6522665227

[Mickha]

that depends on your Longitude, for your location, check with dishpointer.com.
If your Longitude is negative, -3.578, then you enter 3.578 West, or 3.58, if you have to round it up, if your Longitude is -0.3578, then you enter 0.3578 West.

[echelon]

I believe he is further west than I am in manchester, so its the 3.578 west , or round it down or up to 3.58 for example

the alternative is to take it away from 360 and use east, so that would be 356.422 east

I also sent you your correct usals settings by pm ages ago from what I remember

[rasp]

Yes you did and i thank you for that.

Just installed the latest Black hole image was using vix image.

But can't set it up as in vix image.
.
Tuner A advanced tuner B second cable of motorised dish

Can set it up with A and B switched but not as B as second cable

[Mickha]

Why are you using the advanced option?
I have to use the advanced options, as I have a 36v motor, and a V-Box II, and the configuration does work, with Tuner B set as second cable from motorized dish, providing Tuner A is connected to the motor, otherwise set Tuner A to second cable and set Tuner B up as the main tuner.
If your dish, in the images, is really pointing at 23.5E, then you have a very limited satellite arc, with the current location. Can you move the dish, to a better position, to provide at least from 1W to 39E?

[echelon]

set the main tuner for the motor , say tuner A as advanced motor etc

set tuner B to equal tuner A if the 2 cables come from the same motorised lnb

[rasp]

I have changed the dish to a 90cm dish sent it to zero position.

Then tried to set it up using USALS and now the motor will not move.

Something is wrong because the red light is not flashing on the motor.

Checked cable ends of box and motor in case the were lose.

Redone the ones on the box .

Can anyone recommend a motor apart from the Dark motor (superior intel) as i have only had it 18 months

[rasp]

It's the cable took one out of sky dish put in line connector and a piece up to motor and moved it west.

The original cable is wf 100 and the extension was rg59 cable .

So the problem is cable on the motor or going into the box

[rasp]

I have been given 20mtrs of rg59 twin cable.

I have two type of f connector rg6 and sky.

The RG6 i had to cut a load of outer sheath and pull braid back just for it to grip and for the sky i had to force it on twisting the cable for the extension i used to test

Are there any connectors for the rg59

[digicon]

RG59 type is used primarily for CCTV i think your getting mixed up with what Sky officially use which is WF65 Shotgun cable, have a look on a certain a-u-c-t-i-o-n site for the connectors

[rasp]

Ditched the rg59 cable and bought 20mtr of RG6 made one off snug fit on the cable.

Not going to use compression fittings.

The only problem i have got is the lounge has been decorated paper and painted and er indoors has said you are not making any mess trying to get the cable through the wall.

[echelon]

mine is through the wall and terminated onto a faceplate with barrel type connectors , so looks similar to an aerial faceplate, other half was quite happy as it all blends in with the sockets and aerial faceplate , no mess , no fuss

[rasp]

At a loss now:

Made new ends on cable going to motor (cut about 12in off)

Put a new piece of cable from motor to twin black ultra lnb.

Checked cable from motor to house an through wall no damage.

Also put new BLACK ULTRA twin lnb and motor will not move.

Will try the sky cable and joint later .

Got to have a break as i am in agony with my back.

[Mobley2]

You can also get white plastic cover caps which go around the cable, they have a bung on them that pushes
into the hole in the wall and you are just left with the cable coming through, they allow you to have the cable straight to the Stb, without joins
you can also put a blob of Silicone sealant on them to hold them in place.

regards mobley2

[rasp]

Will try the sky cable and joint later:

No joy it must be the motor.

Which one tm2600 or dark motor

[rasp]

I have installed the tm 2600 done it late yesterday .

Made new ends on motor and box motor was moving ok last night did not have time to set it up.

My M8 called round this afternoon to help set it up no joy motor will not move have not touched anything since last night.

Run new cable from box to motor Not through wall no joy.

Reflashed the image from blackhole to vix.

Before flashing connected old dark motor with new cable on bootup the leds were flashing on motor but after image loaded nothing.

Connected new cable back up new motor nothing as i said put new connections on motor and box.

[Mickha]

Have you checked your connections?
I once experienced a similar problem, with satellite reception, everything working, on setting it up, then an intermittent problem, followed by a complete loss of signal.
Took a little while, to track down the problem, and discovered that one of my F connectors was too tight, for the cable, and cut the strands, of wire, when I screwed it onto the cable.

Also do you have another receiver, even an old one, to test if it's your receiver, not sending sufficient power?

https://www.satpimps.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=65295&stc=1

[rasp]

I found a ready made connector lead Factory made all enclosed connected dark motor to it led are flashing ok.

So it has to be the connection somewhere all long the line.

Not had chance today to check been raining all day.

To cap it all my internet has been dropping out every ten min sky is sending somebody out on the 9th may.

Only just signed up for another year what else can go wrong.

I know this is off topic.

Can anyone recommend a router instead of sky sr02

I am amazed i have been able to post this without a dropout.

Spoke to soon drop out while typing will have to wait until it it reconnects

[rasp]

It's been a while guys here is what i have done:

Altered the brackets with the help of my nephew

Both pole and brackets okay.

Used USALS got 28.2/23.5/19.2/16.0/13.0 all with a average signal of 75% and working great.

Yesterday lost signal on 16.0 and poor signal on 23.5 and dropped signal on others.

I had not altered anything from when the signal was good.

Late last night altered the north coordinate a touch at a time still the same

[ABA]

you can also get 12 inch and 36 inch t & k

[Mickha]

To re-align the dish you slightly alter the longitude reading, not the latitude, but I would first check your signal quality readings, on other satellites, 23.5E should boom in, as it's stronger than 16E.
Can you please post your current quality readings, on 19.2E, and 13E? As well as a few others.

[rasp]

90% on 13.e / 85% on 19.2/ 95% on 28.2.

Only altered the long settings

[Mickha]

Longitude is East/West, positive longitude readings = East, negative Longitude readings = West, you mentioned North, which is what made me think you'd altered the wrong settings.

I'm surprised 19.2E isn't stronger, but even so you should be getting a good signal quality reading on 23.5E, depending on the transponder.Try one of the canal digitaal frequencies, like 11856 V 29900 DVB-S2 8PSK 2/3

[rasp]

You are right mickha i have altered the wrong settings.

The other half is watching the soaps and this moment.

On hot bird on of my fav channels is NAT GEO WILD HD in polish with english audio track.

Signal has gone to zero from 90% might have moved transponder

[Mickha]

I tend to stick with 19.2E, especially Movistar +, which has National Geographioc, Nat Geo Wild Europe, History, Discovery and A & E:

http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/Movistar--19E.html

Nat Geo Wild, part of the Cyfrowy Polsat package, is listed on 13E:
12188 V 27500 DVB-S2 8PSK 3/4
as well as a Nova package version:
12130 H 27500 DVB-S2 8PSK 3/4
Try manually scanning in both versions, and see if they work.

[rasp]

Tried to alter the lat settings for about two hours last night No joy.

Went from usals to Disegc fine tuned slightly on hotbird to start with.

Signal went from 85% to 100% done the same on other sats

Got 100% on 28.2/23.5/19.2/16.0/ 13.0/

And on of my fav channels NAT GEO WILD HD in polish with english audio track has shot up to 100% with Diseqc

But on usals was 85% on other freq but 0% on Nat Geo Wild .

[Mickha]

I'm not keen on receivers that claim 100%, especially on 16E, 28.2E, 23.5E, 19.2E, and 13E are very powerful, and should give strong signal readings.
Can you please post the frequencies, of the Nat Geo Wild channel, which currently gives 0%, it might have changed frequency.

[rasp]

It has not changed m8 it's the same one is giving 100% signal on disequ and working great but was giving 0% on usals.

Will post back with freq.

11257 H 27500 3/4 8PSK

Some weak ones on 23.5 where 54% have shoot up to 100% just by fine tuning by two steps

I was also getting 100% when fine tuning in the postioner menu with usals but could not save.

Forgot to say my box is VU Solo 4k

[echelon]

your LATITUDE settings on the receiver should be set to your GPS location and not be altered at all

any lat alterations are done on the actual motor body itself , outside , using spanners

the USALS longitude setting should be set correctly for your location in the box itself and then the actual dish and actual motor are moved until you peak the signals , then you lock them both up using spanners

this usals LONGITUDE can be altered slightly in the menu by up to half a degree either way to get the optimum across the sat range

diseqc v1.2 manual locate and store will give the best readings for each sat, but usually usals will suffice

so remember, on the box you are altering LONGITUDE in usals, not latitude (latitude remains fixed)