For those whom have 4K Boxes

[catseye]

For those whom have 4K Boxes

Sly Digital have just begun to test UHD on Astra 28.2 East

As yet 2 unidentified channels

Frequency 10743H 23000 FEC 2/3 DVB S2

SID 9000 & 9006

[satwyn]

For those whom have 4K Boxes

Sly Digital have just begun to test UHD on Astra 28.2 East

As yet 2 unidentified channels

Frequency 10743H 23000 FEC 2/3 DVB S2

SID 9000 & 9006had a look today nothing showing but the vu 4k did tune them in

[shiva]

Thanks Catseye for the find.I can also confirm the same as satwyn.The 2 channels tuned in on my samsung 4ktv but shows nothing.

regards shiva.

[Dave5118]

Service 9000 is the actual UHD test, currently using about 30Mbps....... scrambled in NDS :(

[catseye]

Will be a case of watch that space I guess

Heard rumours of it may possibly be slys first venture into UHD Sport -but these are just rumours at present so don't get too excited

[satwyn]

no video or audio i can detect and no indication it's encoded either in nds or anything else

[Dave5118]

no video or audio i can detect and no indication it's encoded either in nds or anything else

TSreader results


Program Number: 9000
PCR on PID 2304 (0x0900)
PMT Version: 3
Service name: 9000

Stream Type: 0x04 MPEG-2 Audio
Elementary Stream PID 640 (0x0280)

Stream Type: 0x06 ISO/IEC 13818-1 PES packets containing private data
Elementary Stream PID 660 (0x0294)

Stream Type: 0x24 H.265 Video
Elementary Stream PID 512 (0x0200)

Descriptor: Multiplex Buffer Utilization Descriptor
Bound Valid Flag: 1
LTW Offset Lower: 180 Upper: 180

CAT Version Number: 0
Descriptor: CA Descriptor
CA System ID: 2400 (0x0960) News Datacom
CA PID 192 (0x00c0)

65116

[3tv]

audio is mislabelled as a pes track. averageing 200-250kbit. You would expect better audio to go with the better video, at least Dolby digital + @ 640k

[digicon]

audio is mislabelled as a pes track. averageing 200-250kbit. You would expect better audio to go with the better video, at least Dolby digital + @ 640k


This is Uncle Ruppie remember Quantity over Quality for mass profit

[3tv]

This is Uncle Ruppie remember Quantity over Quality for mass profit

30mbit video currently

[Dave5118]

30mbit video currently

That won't last :rofl:

[digicon]

30mbit video currently

Currently - Future around 5mb when they cram another 10 UHD channels on the same TP

[satwyn]

Currently - Future around 5mb when they cram another 10 UHD channels on the same TP funbox 4k on hotbird clearing ok on 10.727H 30000 4/5 8psk

[3tv]

funbox 4k on hotbird clearing ok on 10.727H 30000 4/5 8psk

still demo loop? insight UHD is the only thing with any actual watchable content and that feels like a demo loop with the constant repeats.

might be worth brute forcing a segment of the 28.2 channel to see what it is. the 28.2 stream gives crypts 8's but none off then give a cw, either they are fake, using a different plaintext or not using CSA algo.

[Dave5118]

still demo loop? insight UHD is the only thing with any actual watchable content and that feels like a demo loop with the constant repeats.

might be worth brute forcing a segment of the 28.2 channel to see what it is. the 28.2 stream gives crypts 8's but none off then give a cw, either they are fake, using a different plaintext or not using CSA algo.
Well if it's not using the CSA, then it won't be DVB compliant :p
mpeg2 is 00h and h264 is ffh(occ 030000h), so it stands to reason HEVC will be a different plain type......... I would think.

[3tv]

Well if it's not using the CSA, then it won't be DVB compliant :p


theres csa v2.


mpeg2 is 00h and h264 is ffh(occ 030000h), so it stands to reason HEVC will be a different plain type......... I would think.

champions league final was FF

[Dave5118]

theres csa v2.



champions league final was FF
Yeah CSA3 is possible i suppose.

Can't even remember a HEVC feed for the CL final, let alone what table it used :(

[3tv]

Yeah CSA3 is possible i suppose.

Can't even remember a HEVC feed for the CL final, let alone what table it used :(

SKY Germany had a limited pub feed, Canal + France also shown it, there was no Biss feed, well not in dvbs2.

[3tv]

do Sky have La liga rights?

Tomorrows El Clasico is being captured in 4k.

10e feed in Biss :)

[tigertimtim]

do Sky have La liga rights?

Tomorrows El Clasico is being captured in 4k.

10e feed in Biss :)

where did you find this info please? was it sattelliweb?... would be interested in any 4k feeds down the line.

[3tv]

where did you find this info please? was it sattelliweb?... would be interested in any 4k feeds down the line.

blind scan 11686v 14250 7/8 currently itc.

As for the sky? 28.2 test after a full key search 0-f nothing found :(

[Dave5118]

blind scan 11686v 14250 7/8 currently itc.

Currently FTA atm ;)

[3tv]

Currently FTA atm ;)

do sky q box's offer manual channel scanning? im guessing not?

[catseye]

For info

SID 9000 has now been relabelled as Sly UHD Trial

[3tv]

wonder if some q owners have been selected to trial it under NDA's

[cloverleaf]

no I haven't been asked yet and no sky q box is not picking up this channel as yet

[3tv]

the encrypted pes track has gone and been replaced with an ac3 and mpeg audio track. hevc track looks the same. cant be far away from launching

[Dave5118]

........cant be far away from launching
Doubt it, they still using 30 Mbps :p

I see the Hispasat test are now using 15 Mbps, I haven't got a UHD TV, so can't compare that with the current promos on Astra etc.

Wouldn't be surprised if Sly try 15Mbps at some point :rolleyes:

PS. Reckon the launch will coincide with the atart of the new footie season, Sly have done a deal with Sony for UHD movies, which are believed to be available round about September time, so they'll want a fair amount of boxes out there so peeps can buy the movies, using the footie as the launch vehicle would achieve this ;)

[3tv]

Sony are 1 of the few studio's finishing off @ 4k while others are still finishing in 2k and upscaling. Concentrating on selling the benefits of HDR
Doubt it, they still using 30 Mbps :p

I see the Hispasat test are now using 15 Mbps, I haven't got a UHD TV, so can't compare that with the current promos on Astra etc.

Wouldn't be surprised if Sly try 15Mbps at some point :rolleyes:

PS. Reckon the launch will coincide with the atart of the new footie season, Sly have done a deal with Sony for UHD movies, which are believed to be available round about September time, so they'll want a fair amount of boxes out there so peeps can buy the movies, using the footie as the launch vehicle would achieve this ;)

[Dave5118]

Uh ohhhh.......... Sly UHD trial now gone to 98% 'null' packet, somethings afoot :rolleyes:

Edit: Back to normal again now, so no change as yet.

[Dave5118]

Sky seem to be showing the Walsall v Barnsley playoff tonight according to the EPG info, and confirmed by a feed.




Sky Sports UHD Feed for FL72 playoff FTA!

Quad mode - 4 x 1080p

Eutelsat 12 West A 12.5W 12543 Horizontal 33330 16APSK 3/4 DVB-S2 4:2:2

Program 1/1 UHD2 UL
Program 1/2 UHD2 UR
Program 1/3 UHD2 LL
Program 1/4 UHD2 LR

http://i66.tinypic.com/ivcvi0.jpg

Only done 1 screenshot, as it's impossible for me to get 4 at the same time :(

[3tv]

Older Samsung 4k tv's could construct the quad hd stream into a uhd image in real time, don't know if the newer 1's can. Being 16apsk and 4.2.2 might also be a non starter.

avc encoded Quad HD is still the prefared UHD feed delievery method. Most is NS3 modulated so gets missed. :(

[Dave5118]

Hmmm. .... didn't know that about Samsung TVs. I guess using 16apsk and 4:2:2 would rule out anybody else watching it :rolleyes: Also there was no audio, still thought they would have scrambled it though.

There have been a couple of 'test' transmissions of Opera/theatre lately using H265, I reckon it will take time for H265 encoders to find their way to flyaways just yet.

FYI, each feed was about 22Mbs, making a total of nearly 90Mbps for full video :eek:

[3tv]

Hmmm. .... didn't know that about Samsung TVs. I guess using 16apsk and 4:2:2 would rule out anybody else watching it :rolleyes: Also there was no audio, still thought they would have scrambled it though.

There have been a couple of 'test' transmissions of Opera/theatre lately using H265, I reckon it will take time for H265 encoders to find their way to flyaways just yet.

FYI, each feed was about 22Mbs, making a total of nearly 90Mbps for full video :eek:

4 x 20mbit avc will destroy the 25-30mbit hevc stream. You could probably demux all 4 quadrants and use avisynth to piece them together. TSreader to FFMPEG to avisynth, would be cpu intensive though.

was the audio dolby e? normally only 1 of the quadrants will contain an audio track.

The First UHD demo by Eutelsat was quad HD. Samsung Tv's could play this.

[CokeAddict]

Sky seem to be showing the Walsall v Barnsley playoff tonight according to the EPG info, and confirmed by a feed.

I wonder if when the broadcasters do start there 4k services, if they will broadcast in 4:2:2 and 16 or 32APSK

[3tv]

I would have though they would use dvb-s2x to squeeze more into the limited bandwidth. HEVC 10bit is the norm.

[CokeAddict]

I would have though they would use dvb-s2x to squeeze more into the limited bandwidth. HEVC 10bit is the norm.

You are probably right, I was just thinking if they used 4:2:2 it would give them some extra security as very few boxes can open 4:2:2 and thats before any cs or other hacks required.

[3tv]

You are probably right, I was just thinking if they used 4:2:2 it would give them some extra security as very few boxes can open 4:2:2 and thats before any cs or other hacks required.

4.2.2 and 10bit is supported in HEVC, shame they didn't add it to avc. I think the demo loop on on 13e is 4.2.2 10 bit hevc.

[Dave5118]

was the audio dolby e? normally only 1 of the quadrants will contain an audio track.



You could be right, think i checked all of them, but can't be sure.

[Dave5118]

Now seems to have moved to 11758H 29500 QPSK 8/9 DVB-S2 with ID 9006

Bit rate is now around 40Mbps :eek:

[3tv]

anyone examined the enc video stream

all the video headers are like this:
47 42 00 FF 0E 02 0C 02 0A 41 0E 2F 14 39 4C 06 02 00 99
47 42 00 FF 0E 02 0C 02 0A 41 0E 2F 14 5C 74 06 02 00 99

[catseye]

Just spotted this one today

Intelsat 905 24.5 West
NASA TV 4K -CLEAR

11181H DVB S2 QPSK 10125 3/4
SID 104
VID 4161
Audio 4164
PCR 481

[CokeAddict]

Just spotted this one today

Intelsat 905 24.5 West
NASA TV 4K -CLEAR

11181H DVB S2 QPSK 10125 3/4
SID 104
VID 4161
Audio 4164
PCR 481

Thanks, but i'm getting 0 signal on that transponder :(

EDIT: Got it, it's dvbs not dvb-s2 :)

[catseye]

Thanks, but i'm getting 0 signal on that transponder :(

EDIT: Got it, it's dvbs not dvb-s2 :)

Whats the pq like m8??

[CokeAddict]

Whats the pq like m8??

Some of it isn't that great.

But then there is some stunning pictures and video too.

[3tv]

I watched a few mins a day or 2 ago and thought it was a bit soft, the shuttle launch looked nice but nothing spectacular. They should show the NASA Imax docu's :)

[seagate1]

can anybody tell me which channel to use or transponder ive used this 11181 H dvbs 10125 3/4 , just dont seem to pick up anything on 24.5 w

[CokeAddict]

I watched a few mins a day or 2 ago and thought it was a bit soft
What tv are you using ?

[CokeAddict]

can anybody tell me which channel to use or transponder ive used this 11181 H dvbs 10125 3/4 , just dont seem to pick up anything on 24.5 w

Thats the same freq as i'm using and the channel works fine for me, if your not getting anything on 24.5w then maybe your dish isn't aligned very well, or something is blocking your line of sight.

[seagate1]

tv lg 49inch 4k smart tv.

i have just got on the sat and got transponder plus that freq, so i need to set some settings on me dish and move it about a bit, thanks cokeaddict.

[catseye]

Some more 4k stuff to test if you can get it of course

26 East

11938V DVB S 27500 3/4
Seevil 4k SID 591 VID / PCR 2870 Audio 2840

12380H 27500 3/4 DVB S2

SeeVii Showcase SID 99 VID 300 PCR 300 Audio 301
SeeVii Prime 1 HD SID 100
SeeVii Beelink SID 106
SeeVii Shamiya HD SID 108
Seevii 4k SID 114

[3tv]

What tv are you using ?

sony 65" 4k

[3tv]

insight UHD is worth watching, a lot of the 4k looks like it came from a gopro but some shows still look good. Graveyard Cars was shot in 1080 put looks a lot better upscaled than it does on the more compressed HD channel

[3tv]

anyone in the uk tune this
4.9e
12694 - Pol: V - SR: 33333

regular 4k epl feed. its 16apsk. Quad hd format but still want it :) I get a small blip on a rf scan but only 5.5-6.0db

[Dave5118]

Yeah, tried it towards the end. Was a strong signal here though.

[catseye]

He's a juicy one to try
Sky Sport Bundesliga UHD

19.2 East
11797H 27500 FEC 9/10 DVB S2 QPSK
SID 552 PIC 1791 Audio 1795

[harddriver]

Hi

Sorry to say this but it´s useless
cause thoose Channels ( Sky Sport UHD is the 2nd on the same Transponder)are Work only with the New Sly German
UHD Receiver don´t Work for example with a VU 4K

[catseye]

Not sure if those who have 4K boxes will able to check this out
19.2 East 11552H
DVB S2X 25500 11/20
Test transmission for Astra UHD SID 32 VID 48 AUDIO 64

[harddriver]

Hi

Taken from a Geraman Sat Magazin ( Digital Fernsehen )
The new Standard DVB-S2X is not backward compatibel with the previous/current DVB-S2 Standard.
This means: Who wants to use the new specifications in the future, need a new receiver.
So the answer to your question is no,checked it with my Vu Solo 4K had no chance to set the FEC to 11/20
scale ends at 9/10

[satwyn]

Hi

Taken from a Geraman Sat Magazin ( Digital Fernsehen )
The new Standard DVB-S2X is not backward compatibel with the previous/current DVB-S2 Standard.
This means: Who wants to use the new specifications in the future, need a new receiver.
So the answer to your question is no,checked it with my Vu Solo 4K had no chance to set the FEC to 11/20
scale ends at 9/10
could a software upgrade be developed to cope with 11/20

[catseye]

Hi

Taken from a Geraman Sat Magazin ( Digital Fernsehen )
The new Standard DVB-S2X is not backward compatibel with the previous/current DVB-S2 Standard.
This means: Who wants to use the new specifications in the future, need a new receiver.
So the answer to your question is no,checked it with my Vu Solo 4K had no chance to set the FEC to 11/20
scale ends at 9/10

Any thoughts on why Astra would be testing in this format? - advantages etc

[AndyX]

Not sure if those who have 4K boxes will able to check this out
19.2 East 11552H
DVB S2X 25500 11/20
Test transmission for Astra UHD SID 32 VID 48 AUDIO 64
This is a Dolby Labs Test with Astra promo. Dr.HD box can't see it but my LG TV satellite tuner can.

[harddriver]

Hi

No i don´t have any clue why
on what DVB-S2X is an how it´s should be work have a look over here
hxxps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-S2X
or here
hxxps://www.dvb.org/standards/dvb-s2x

[harddriver]

Hi

I have an LG too ( LG 55UC970V 3D UHD TV ) but mine can´t Receive a Signal at this Transponder

[3tv]

Any thoughts on why Astra would be testing in this format? - advantages etc

you can squeeze more data into a carrier. TBS brought out a dvbs2x compatible card a few months ago.

dvbs2x should have been scrapped and ns3/4 adopted instead for efficiency

[Dave5118]

anyone in the uk tune this
4.9e
12694 - Pol: V - SR: 33333

regular 4k epl feed. its 16apsk. Quad hd format but still want it :) I get a small blip on a rf scan but only 5.5-6.0db

Sly feed for the Spurs game currently on 10e now m8, if you wanna try it?

Eutelsat 10A 10.0E 11677 Vertical 33330 16APSK 3/4 DVB-S2

FTA Quad HD as usual.

[3tv]

manu on 4.9e also quad hd 16apsk

12529v 33333 3/4

don't think we will see a 4k box to handle these

[Dave5118]

manu on 4.9e also quad hd 16apsk

12529v 33333 3/4

don't think we will see a 4k box to handle these

That's another sly feed, for the Burnley v Arsenal game.

BT tend to use HEVC now, but haven't found one today though :(

[3tv]

ah, asummed it was manu game as im sure viasat are showing manu 4k game. unless that's on 12694

BT feed for Leicester game a few weeks ago was on 23.5 but the solo 4k didn't like the mux. played fine when remuxed into a mkv container though


That's another sly feed, for the Burnley v Arsenal game.

BT tend to use HEVC now, but haven't found one today though :(

[3tv]

what size dish u using for this?

Sly feed for the Spurs game currently on 10e now m8, if you wanna try it?

Eutelsat 10A 10.0E 11677 Vertical 33330 16APSK 3/4 DVB

[Dave5118]

what size dish u using for this?

1.5m gibertini, east Manchester. Getting just over 11db.

[3tv]

that might explain why I cant get it up in the north east. when I rf scan and locate 11677 i get a blip on the graph but not enough for 16apsk. on a 1.1 :(


1.5m gibertini, east Manchester. Getting just over 11db.

[AndyX]

Maybe to test the new Dolby Vision format?

[3tv]

would be surprised by that, hardly anyone who is releasing ultraHD bluray is supporting it. HLG should be the hdr sat standard. We cant even get Dolby digital+ 640kbit audio.


Maybe to test the new Dolby Vision format?

[catseye]

Another one for the 4K fans

Astra 19.2 East
11288V 22000 2/3 DVB S2 8PSK

QVC UHD Germany SID 4230