Twin lnb

[steviejb]

I have at the moment a fixed dish pointing to 13E and have got hold of one of those twin monoblock lnb's which will get me hotbird and astra 19e, obviously the hotbird lnb will be clamped into the bracket, but where does the other lnb go if you're looking at the dish - on the left or on the right?
stevie

[NeasdenNW10]

I've posted this before, on the old dudes site. That is how I set up 13 and 19 east for my daughter.
13 east, hotbird, clamped and is central focused. Offset is for 19 east.
NW10

[steviejb]

So the astra lnb goes on the left, thanks for the pics NeasdenNW10. very helpful.
stevie

[echelon]

So the astra lnb goes on the left, thanks for the pics NeasdenNW10. very helpful.
stevie

it goes on the left if looking from the front of the dish , and to the left of that you may fit another lnb for 28 east

so from the front of the dish the lnbs go towards the left if looking for eastern sats , and the further left you go the more easterly the sats become , and the higher they go too , so the left hand lnb should be higher then the right


but if you were BEHIND THE DISH the astra 19 lnb would be on the right of the arm

so it depends which perspective you are looking at

[NeasdenNW10]

Yes, dish focused on Hotbird(13e), signal from Astra (19e) comes in lower from the east. It is reflected by the dish and picked up by an lnb slightly higher and to the west.
Basic physics, angle of incidence = angle of reflection, and all that stuff learnt over 50 years ago.
NW10
PS. Ech beat me to it.

[echelon]

I am just experimenting with a zone 2 raven dish and multiblock lnb holder , so here are some pictures of it in a temporary site , with hotbird on the right ( dish lined up onto hotbird ) , astra 19 is in the middle just to the left of hotbird and I am just needing to adjust the left hand lnb for astra 28 east
the dish lnb arm needed extending and the 2 lnb,s for 13 and 19 east are touching each other which shows how the 6 degree separation is so tight , and is what prevents ppl getting 5e , 7e , 10e ,13e , 16e and 19e unless they use the alps slimline lnb,s etc

the 3 lnb,s shown below are all cheap skyware lnb,s removed from the sky lnb holders , and are perfect for standard 40mm collar lnb holders
you can also use the sky plus 4 way quad lnb,s as well , although some have plastic lugs that need filing down


the 3 cables are going to a 4-way diseqc switch bought for £7 including p+p from a well known auction site ;)

[NeasdenNW10]

Just a thought Echelon, now that the birds at 13east are stronger. Would it even things up by focussing on 19east and having offsets on 13east and 28east? More of a balanced set up I would have thought.
Other than that, best wishes for you experimenting.
NW10

[Slap]

Just another thought to add,the sliding arm that goes across the dish that the LNB's are attached could that be of a step being as LNB's go higher and that may give that bit more to play with.

[chrome307]

That's very impressive what you've managed to do echelon , can you let us know what the inclination is for the arm ??

[echelon]

Just a thought Echelon, now that the birds at 13east are stronger. Would it even things up by focussing on 19east and having offsets on 13east and 28east? More of a balanced set up I would have thought.
Other than that, best wishes for you experimenting.
NW10

I did try a couple of days ago with astra 19e as prime focus but was struggling , so went back to hotbird as prime focus

I have just fitted this onto the sidewall in its final resting place above the garage roof , and added a 4th lnb on 42 east as well



so from left to right from the front of the dish ( lnb side ) , its

turk sat 42e - astra 28e - astra 19e - hotbird 13e


and you can clearly see the lnbs rising the further left you go , as the metal multiblock lnb holder is designed for this task , albeit its actually for a different dish than my zone 2 raven , meaning some drilling and dish-arm lengthening had to go on !!

lol :)


ps:- I have also fitted another zone 2 dish at the rear of the property with a sly quad lnb and aligned just on 30 west and this works fine too

[mikk]

Talking to sat installer about my plans to fit a twin output monoblock running to two receivers in different rooms (because the dragon refuses to share with any other cam) he told me because you set the diseq on the receiver I would need two single lnbs on an adjustable arm similar to echelons, but then I'd only be able to view one sat (say astra) in one room and the other (hotbird) in the second room. I am confused, do I need a single mb, twin mb or two seperate lnbs??:confused:

[echelon]

best bet is to do it like mine , but have twin output or quad output lnb,s on each holder , which is probably my next job as I have some sly quads from fleabay for the task ahead ( sly plus quad lnb,s )

so with twin or quad output lnb,s you can have 2 receivers working fine , using two 4-way diseqc switches

each receiver connects to its own 4 way diseqc switch ( about £7 for each switch from fleabay delivered ) and you connect up to 4 lnb outputs to the switch , and up to 4 lnb outputs to the other switch

so in my example above I could fit twin or quad lnbs to each saddle , then have 2 switches running on 2 cables , 1 cable to each receiver from its own switch

then each receiver can have any channel from the 4 sats , so one receiver of mine (technomate) is currently on hotbird and the other (samsung) is on 30 west ( you cannot see the similar zone 2 dish I have on 30 west as its round the back of the house !! )

so the answer for you is to fit 1 dish as big as possible , say 90cm or 110cm triax ( or even 2 or 3 dishes ) , and have a multi lnb holder on the triax , then fit twin or quad output lnb,s on the sats you want to duplicate , then fit 2 diseqc switches and connect to 2 receivers ( I use a samsung 9500 viaci with latest patch , and a tm1500ci+ with latest patch )



triax do a 4 way multiblock holder that retails for about £20 delivered , and this fits the arm on the 90 and 110 cm dishes

raven do arms for their 90cm range , and gilbertini also do arms like mine for their bigger dishes like say 90cm

and there is the force frontier dishes too , taking 4 lnbs on a single dish

[NeasdenNW10]

Superb installation and great pics, many thanks for showing them. Just goes to show that the so called professionals do not know a thing when it comes to experimenting and getting multiple satellites from one fixed dish.
Well done again and power to your elbow for any future projects that you have in mind.
NW10

[echelon]

That's very impressive what you've managed to do echelon , can you let us know what the inclination is for the arm ??

no idea m8 ( how would I tell ? )

just screwed it all together having made some bolt holes , and added a piece of arm from a sly 43cm raven dish , held together by some old offcuts of wood !!!
( this lengthens the main arm from 13 inches to 15 inches from the rear of the dish where it normally sits )

then it was a case of adjusting the arm length whilst watching the signal strength , and being able to get the astra and hotbird lnb,s in the right place , albeit they are touching each other , and had to hacksaw part of the hotbird lnb holder at 1 side to get the 2 lnb,s closer together as the metal holders were keeping them too far apart , allowing only 1 to be focussed correctly

all this was done without any sat meters , just used a tm1500ci with all the channels on it from my motor , and used its built-in strength bars to check the up/down/left/right and the lnb skew

it really isnt that hard , and anyone with a few tools and a bit of common sense could easily replicate it

I have another one test on the arm on the shed with an old monoblock on 13 east with 19 east as the offset and tested that today and works perfectly using the tm1500ci+


and here is my triax multiblock for my 1.1m dish ( not yet attached )

[echelon]

here are some pictures of an old monoblock on a new raven zone 2 dish I have on test

the dish is aligned onto 13e hotbird on the right hand lnb looking from the front with astra at 19e being on the left hand lnb and higher up

this dish appears to be around 14 degrees on the markings on the dish , well the elevation securing nut is around the 14 mark anyway

this setup works fine for astra and hotbird without any dish modifications , although I would probably recommend a longer arm , typically around 15 inches

hope this helps

[mikk]

Thanks echelon, not to question your wisdom, but just so I fully understand- why will a twin monoblock running to two receivers, not receive hb and astra on each? Your suggestion of multiple dishes sounds ideal, but the only other sat that might interest me is hispasat. I'm only using an 80cm dish but signal strength on hb is around 90% Will try and source a twin sharp lnb, and maybe fabricate some kind of holder-think dish is a Televes? Will let you know.

To be clear echelon, I was referring to a twin output monoblock if that helps?

[chrome307]

@echelon

This is what I meant

http://i18.tinypic.com/308jujm.jpg

I do have a motorised dish, but I would have loved to have known if I could have attempted something similar just for the following sats:

30w
13e
19e
28e

Actually thinking about I could have had the 3 Easterly sats setup as shown above and a dish just for 30w

If you could see where my dish is put up .............. it's a f**** nightmare and it just costs ££'s everytime I need to do something
ie change the LNB .... check the cables etc

[Mardavia40]

Hi Guys.
I have dual feed with Hotbird 13e and Astra 19e with old 80cm mesh dish,
i will be moving shortly to a flat and my new landlord as givin me permission
to put a dish up
My question is can i get away this time with a twin monoblock lnb and a
60cm dish, and which would be best and able to cope with dual feed.
I am in the South West of England and would rather have the same set-up
i have now instead of returning to Sky.
Many thanks m8s.

[echelon]

Thanks echelon, not to question your wisdom, but just so I fully understand- why will a twin monoblock running to two receivers, not receive hb and astra on each? Your suggestion of multiple dishes sounds ideal, but the only other sat that might interest me is hispasat. I'm only using an 80cm dish but signal strength on hb is around 90% Will try and source a twin sharp lnb, and maybe fabricate some kind of holder-think dish is a Televes? Will let you know.


I have never seen or used or heard of a twin monoblock so cannot answer questions about it

all I can say is my method above using twin or quad output lnb,s and diseqc switches achieves the task you planned , and a monoblock is normally 2 lnb,s places 6 degrees apart with a built in 2 way diseqc switch , so double it up and you could run 2 receivers , but my way also allows 28 east and maybe another sat too

for hispasat you need another dish and that is what I have done , put up 2 of these zone 2 dishes , one on 30 west and one on hotbird as shown in the pictures



Hi Guys.
I have dual feed with Hotbird 13e and Astra 19e with old 80cm mesh dish,
i will be moving shortly to a flat and my new landlord as givin me permission
to put a dish up
My question is can i get away this time with a twin monoblock lnb and a
60cm dish, and which would be best and able to cope with dual feed.
I am in the South West of England and would rather have the same set-up
i have now instead of returning to Sky.
Many thanks m8s.


a single monoblock works fine on an 80 cm dish , which is what it was designed for , the smaller dishes have a smaller arm due to reduced focal length , and so the 2 lnb,s cannot be placed close enough together which is why a monoblock doesnt work properly on a 60 cm dish or less , and I did say I had to lengthen the dish arms on these raven 2 dishes earlier in my replies , but the monoblock shown in one of my pictures works fine on the zone 2 59cm dish as its 79cm wide so it makes more sense for you to use one of these zone 2 raven dishes like mine and re-use your monoblock

[echelon]

@echelon

This is what I meant

http://i18.tinypic.com/308jujm.jpg

I do have a motorised dish, but I would have loved to have known if I could have attempted something similar just for the following sats:

30w
13e
19e
28e

Actually thinking about I could have had the 3 Easterly sats setup as shown above and a dish just for 30w

If you could see where my dish is put up .............. it's a f**** nightmare and it just costs ££'s everytime I need to do something
ie change the LNB .... check the cables etc

the lnb multiblock arm I fitted has 2 wings on it for a g*lbert*ni dish and so gives the correct angle ( but I have no idea what that angle is ) when its bolted up , so its all done for you in the design of the arm with the correct angles already bent into the metal arm

and I too have fitted one of these dishes for 30 west and the one shown for 4 sats in the east

obviously you cannot get 30 west as well as those in the east from one dish , the angles dont allow it , so 1 dish like shown above and one in a different direction on 30 west works fine , and is my current solution to getting the main sat channels ( 2 receivers , 2 zone two dishes , 2 diseqc switches , 5 lnb,s on 5 sats )

[Slap]

echelon,
In my theory you could have two zone 2 plain Dish face's side by side one for east the other for west with the LNB focus arm in between the two Dish face's and not on the Dish Face its self.

[echelon]

echelon,
In my theory you could have two zone 2 plain Dish face's side by side one for east the other for west with the LNB focus arm in between the two Dish face's and not on the Dish Face its self.

sounds feasible but I wont be testing the theory myself as I already have 2 dishes up as stated earlier and all working fine

think the point here is that I have done some testing of different uses of a sly zone 2 dish , and the idea is for others to see what can be done with a bit of imagination and tinkering. ie:- think outside the box

if what I have posted helps others with multi-lnb or monoblock setups then thats fine

anyone not interested in what I did , thats also fine by me , just ignore my ramblings

in the meantime I have 2 fixed sly zone 2 dishes with 5 lnb,s giving me 5 main satellite positions , and I am quite happy with the results and it look little expense and little effort to achieve

the pictures also clearly show the relationship between the lnb,s and the fact they are not horizontal but inclined and skewed

best wishes to anyone who get inspiration from this and seeks to duplicate or replicate what I did , and bear in mind you can use 80cm , 90cm , 100cm and 110 cm dishes for this task too ( I happened to have a few raven zone 2 dishes lying around doing nothing !! ;) )

[chrome307]

Actually mate, this has been a very informative read and as you say

'Think Outside The Box'

I have a spare 80cm steel fixed dish in the garden, I was thinking of putting it up at some point, but thought I was limited only to using a monoblock ..... this actually gives me more options and is a manageable project (no climbing up high ladders + cost ).

Thanks again :)

[Slap]

echelon,
I was doing more or less the same in the 80s (short of work and no money) I had got a small welder and I use to walk to the local tip or scap yard walk back with old bits of dented Dishes in those day's it was a 1.4 blue cap or white cap LNB and the only way to get two Sats that was close to one another was to use one LNB and two Dish face's,there was no internet that you could get info on how to do these things it was trail and error with a lot walking to fine tune.

What you are doing brought back memories of when I first started and how it gets you hooked.

[echelon]

echelon,
I was doing more or less the same in the 80s (short of work and no money) I had got a small welder and I use to walk to the local tip or scap yard walk back with old bits of dented Dishes in those day's it was a 1.4 blue cap or white cap LNB and the only way to get two Sats that was close to one another was to use one LNB and two Dish face's,there was no internet that you could get info on how to do these things it was trail and error with a lot walking to fine tune.

What you are doing brought back memories of when I first started and how it gets you hooked.


no problem m8

glad it brought back memories because I too have experimented a bit in the past with various an alogue boxes , bsb squarials and dishes etc


just seems to me that most ppl stick in the comfort zone and do things all standard and then miss out on better solutions ewhere you have to do a bit of work but get a good payoff

nice to see some ppl like me and you still exist and are willing to try stuff out

[Slap]

Age and Disabilities have cought up with me now so not as active as I would like to be this time of year bones and ticker.

[NeasdenNW10]

Thanks Echelon for expanding on what initially started out as a basic set up thread. I admire your experimenting and pleased that it works OK.
I'm rather intrigued about extending the length of lnb arms.
When the better weather arrives, I'm like Slap old bones and ticker problems, I shall be carrying out some experimenting of my own.
Thanks again for your input, it's got me thinking, and thanks for your superb detailed photographs.
Regards NW10

[mikel]

Sorry but the wall bracket should be mounted at right angles to its present install, longer section should be mounted vertically and the mast short length should face down as this will fill up with water and rot from the inside!! regards mikel.;)

[echelon]

Sorry but the wall bracket should be mounted at right angles to its present install, longer section should be mounted vertically and the mast short length should face down as this will fill up with water and rot from the inside!! regards mikel.;)

I havent changed the wall mounting bracket orientation but I have taken your advice and flipped the L bar so its now pointing downwards and the dish is now much closer to the wall too due to me reversing it and having the short section pointing out and the longer section pointing downwards

I have also changed the lnb arm to a piece of 30mm by 20mm aluminium box section , and its set at 15 inches from the fixing point at rear of dish to the end of the lnb arm

I have also changed a couple of the lnb,s from skyware ones , one is now a slyplus quad lnb , and all 4 get excellent reception , and so from left to right its:---

42e , 28e , 19e , 13e , with the dish focussed onto 13e hotbird

the cables go inside the garage to an 8 way emp centauri p168 diseqc switch from italy , and a fifth input is going to another raven zone 2 dish at the rear of my property fitted with a slyplus quad lnb which is focussed and skewed onto 30 west hispasat , giving me a choice of 5 sats at the moment

this 8 way switch has a goto nn function in diseqc v1.2 and can be used the same as a motor so you adjust the switch the same way as you would a motor , ie:- the receiver thinks you have a diseqc motor connected :)

as well as making a longer dish arm , the lnb brackets need some sawing and filing to reduce the side sections so that they could be brought closer together for 13e and 19e , as they actually touch each other, as do the 2 lnb,s as well. the 28e lnb bracket and the one at 42e didnt need any adapting as they are spaced further out

this is now the final fixing for this dish , as all the components are now sorted out and fixed in place

[Bal]

I have toyed with the Idea of doing something with my Dishes but echelon, can you tell me the size of that dish you used.

I have 2 x 80cm dishes, one with HB and Astra and another sitting doing nothing on 1w.

Can a normal round 80cm pick up other Sat's with a multi arm and by what I read from you, you need to increase the angle up of the LNB's?

What's the cost these days of a basic motorised dish?


Thanks

[echelon]

I can tell you that the sly zone 2 dish is about 58cm high and about 78cm wide

a standard 80cm dish would do the job just as well but would cost more money , having said that the dish arm length needs altering to 15 inches on the zone 2 but should be fine on a standard 80cm dish like a triax , lenson heath , raven etc

your second dish would be better employed on 30 west like mine is

a diseqc motor is probably about £50 to £80 , and a dish probably about the same again

[Bal]

I can tell you that the sly zone 2 dish is about 58cm high and about 78cm wide

a standard 80cm dish would do the job just as well but would cost more money , having said that the dish arm length needs altering to 15 inches on the zone 2 but should be fine on a standard 80cm dish like a triax , lenson heath , raven etc

your second dish would be better employed on 30 west like mine is

a diseqc motor is probably about £50 to £80 , and a dish probably about the same again

Thanks m8

I was just wondering about 42e as I already have a sly dish on 28e.

As for the 1w dish, well I'm one of those ones who is keep my fingers crossed if anything ever happens with 1w.

To me from the early days, 1w was the best place and I hardly watch much these days.

Is there much difference between 30w and what is on 19e?

Pity there's no Asian channels I can pick up, but I will look at a semi motor setup while we hit Spring/Summer.

I'll try and see what the brand of dishes are, as they have been up since around 1990-1994 I would say when Asianet was on 37w I think.

Thanks

[echelon]

you didnt mention having a third dish on 28e :)

the 80cm dish you have on hotbird and astra could probably be adapted to get 28e and 42e as well , just as mine is, by using a 4 way multi-lnb holder , especially if the lnb arm is square or rectangular and not round

so I dont see any major obstacles as you already have the correct size dish getting 2 of those 4 sats

30 west has d+ and cabo , whereas 19 east has d+ and premiere , so thats the major difference between the two

[Fil]

echelon, where did you pick up that multi lnb arm? has it got a brand name on it?

[echelon]

its the one for gilbertini dishes

cant tell you where I got it from though ( rules )

easily found in google etc

[Fil]

dam rules ;) no worries, just out of all the ones ive been looking at yours seems best for modability

[Fil]

cant find the one you have anywhere? possible they have changed the design??

[Slap]

Tap in Multi LNB Holder in your search engine.Ton's of them.

[ekon]

Dont s'pose anyone could pm me where I can get an EmpCentauri P168 8 into 1 diseqc switch in UK...as in Echelon's system (or another make 8 in 1). Plenty in Germany but P&P is a bit pricey...maybe the only way to go..or the USA.I have looked around but nothing much about in UK afai cansee.

[echelon]

I never found one in the uk , so had to look on the continent for one , try czech republic or italy

[ekon]

thanks echelon..thought that might be the case as i'd had no joy looking here. Another Q if i may. I have a twin lnb looking at hotbird..one feed goes direct to a satrecvr in one room..the other feed goes into a 4-way diseqc switch and on to another room with another 2 lnb feeds i.e. one input on the diseqc is currently spare.
When I set it up i had a devil of a job with the recvr working off the 4 in 1 diseqc as signal strength dropped on Hotbird or the other sats..the direct- fed recvr was fine. I chopped and changed the inputs in to the diseqc switch from the 3lnbs..not very scientific i know ..and after a fair bit of piddling about all was well. Why was that?..anyone else tried putting a twin lnb into 2 recvrs like I did?..with one box fed via a diseqc switch.

[echelon]

no idea m8

I can tell you I run receivers direct from quads , and also using diseqc switches and never seen any problems like you describe

one thing about twins is there are different types , so you need one with 2 separate outputs that give both h and v , not H from one and V from the other

one reason I use the sly quads is multiple individual outputs and cheap as chips to buy , and they work fine for most jobs , especially on strong sats like 28e , 19e , 13e and 30w here in the uk

[ekon]

thanks..anyway it works fine now..maybe until i put in that 4th lnb feed to the diseqc switch!
It was just strange how the signal quality was reduced on the other sats..maybe just a dodgy cable connector as i re-did all those too when i had that problem.
will try to source an emp p168 from the States i think..£ is strong at the mo'.

[Fil]

Dont s'pose anyone could pm me where I can get an EmpCentauri P168 8 into 1 diseqc switch in UK...as in Echelon's system (or another make 8 in 1). Plenty in Germany but P&P is a bit pricey...maybe the only way to go..or the USA.I have looked around but nothing much about in UK afai cansee.


canada version of a big auction site, got an 8x1 for £14.60 delivered new, dont know the make and havent tested it yet

[onecard]

canada version of a big auction site, got an 8x1 for £14.60 delivered new, dont know the make and havent tested it yet

Did you ever test this 8x1 out, does it work ok?

regards

Onecard

[dude66]

Ok guys,
I have a multi Triax lnb holder with 3 LNB's(28,19,and 13 deg east).Now that things are moving on 1deg west I want to install my 4th LNB on thor. Can it be done?? Do I have to use thor as prime focus?
Oh and I don't mind loosing 28deg east asI have on a Sly dish.So wich satellite do you recommend me?
Thank you.
Dude66:D

[goran]

CS?:woohoo-022::king-041:

Thor, Astra1, HB, plus the Sirius on 5'E seems a rational choice...:respect-051:

[evant]

sorry for butting in lads,im a newbie,i have a humax fox sat connected to my sky dish, its the twin tuner humax, gets me about 150 free view channels.i think its at the 28 degrees.ilive in an old peoples bungalow in the north east of england,can ibuy another sat reciver and go motorised without getting to complicated,and connect to my free view humax,so that way i might still get my uk free view.sorry for sounding such an idiot.many thanks. evant.

[goran]

Humax Fox Sat? All recs today should have DiSEqC 1.2 or even USALS, so you need a Vbox to move your dish with DiSEqC motor.

That's all. FTA will be there, on 28'E and any other satellite position you can get to.

If you want to buy some more HW, then it seems to me like you could get yourself a Diablo CI CAM + a programmer for it and open more... [see the section for it on Dudez and the sponsor link for it]

Diablo Cam 2 Hardware Rev 3.9 (https://www.goldwafers.co.uk/product.php?productid=249&cat=4&page=1)
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(Euro 99.00)

Like these channels, at these sat positions:


05.12.2009




-Update key 00 for TV Globo (13°E)

-Update 00 key for digitv N2 AU [OFF]

-Uptade seca keys

-Uptade biss keys Sport Nijniy Novgorod freg:11675 H 11936-3/4

-Uptade biss keys Nat Geo Wild HD freg:11004.00 H 14400 5/6

-Update biss keys Fox Portugal HD freg:11004.00 H 14400 5/6

-Fixed biss for TRT3 (42.0E) on freq:11918.00 V 24440 3/4

-Uptade biss key IRIB TV 3 freg:11555 V 27500 3/4

-Uptade biss key IRIB TV 3 freg:12352 V 30000 3/4

-Uptade biss key Imedi TV freg:12609 V 3700 5/6

-Uptade biss key Megasport freg:10889 V 27500 3/4

-Uptade biss key Inter freg:10889 V 27500 3/4

-Uptade biss key NTN freg:10889 V 27500 3/4

-Update biss key TRT 1 freq: 11919 V 24444 3/4

-Uptade biss key ictimai freg:11554.00 H 2916 2/3

-Update biss key Lider TV freq: 12521 H 4340 1/2

-Update biss key Mir Belogorya freq: 12546 V 1747 3/4

-Update biss key INTER freq: 11190 H 3333 3/4

-Update biss key Rustavi 2 freq:12593 V 2500-5/6


-Update dcw for JSC Sports ->11296 H 27500 3/4 (13°E) (At the moment ok)(Turn fix cw [on]

-JSC Sports +1 (13°E)

-JSC Sports +2 (13°E)

-JSC Sports +3 (13°E)

-JSC Sports +4 (13°E)

-JSC Sports +5 (13°E)

-JSC Sports +6 (13°E)

-JSC Sports +7 (13°E)

-JSC Sports +8 (13°E)


Chill...:respect-051:

[evant]

many thanks goran,my humax free sat by the way has built in hard drive that can record 200hrs of tele.but would still like sat reciever to connect to my humax,been reading about latest spider box,it is supposed to be simple to work,and load data etc,what do you or any body else think.many thanks.evant.

[goran]

OK, here are a few notions to think about...

==============THE MINIMUM===============

If you want to see encrypted channels you need a receiver that either has a

-CI slot to put in a CAM like Diablo or a

-built-in card reader or a

-USB port to hook a USB card reader

-LAN port to connect to the internet and become a part of a Card Sharing [CS] network

...or all four is best! :D

=================EXTRAS========== ======

Usually, the new kind of receivers [especially the Linux based ones] have an Emulator written for them, which can open the encrypted but hacked packages [like DigiTV on Thor 1'W].

In that case they can - most of the time - do the CS thing, as well. That way you can open just about any package, as a part of a CS network.

The way to do it is to buy a sub and then share with people in other countries. That way no damage is done. Actually, it is in the interest of the companies that we buy the subs... ;)

You can easily have something like that and for not much money...

Do NOT pay for CS "services" from the little "providers" amongst us! It's an abomination! [And it kills the golden eggs goose!]

Besides, where's the fun in that?!? It's a nice hobby, you know! Better than TV itself! :)

=============THE HDD THING=============

See HD receivers section and find one with an

-HDD built-in or at least

-with a slot to put it into the receiver or a

-USB port to connect a USB HDD to it.

That way you don't need your Hummy any longer...

============THE MOTOR THING===========

You will have to install a DiSEqC motor, too.

The larger the dish, the better.

Best quality LNB[s], too...

Twin LNB's [the title of the thread] give you a capacity to run a Twin Tuner receiver or two receivers at the same time, independently!

You will have 2 cables running from an LNB, one to each receiver or tuner.

That way you can watch something and record something completely different, from a different transponder.

Inexpensive nowadays!

================THE INFO==============

I do not endorse any particular receiver at this point - but you can see my thread "Alternative guide..." in AZbox HD for much more info, as to what's what and how it functions exactly. Just to see if it's for you or not.

[Actually, do NOT buy AZbox HD yet, until and IF they sort it out properly!]

Good luck!

:respect-051:

[evant]

thank you ever so much goran,i now have more of an idea of what to do.all of my neibors and i have our sky dishes just up and to to the right of our front doors,any body could just walk up to it and pull it off the wall ,hence i dont want want yobbs seeing a big difference between mine and the others,or they would rive it off, thats why if i could just motorise my sky dish, ad not make it too obvious.once again goran, thanks a lot. evant.

[goran]

Nope, bad idea to try to motorise your typical $ l y dish, as it's too small and inappropriate to be motorised.

You need [let's say you're in SE England]:

-a mast/bracket attached to the highest point of your vertical wall just under your roof, preferably on the garden side, scanning the horizon with no trees and buildings in the way

- 1m x 80cm offset dish with a

-good LNB and a

-decent DiSEqC motor,

-good quality cables and connectors.

That'll do for the outside bit.

Inside the house:

- a good receiver

- a subscription to a cheaper package [depending on what you need]

- unlimited broadband.

The rest is on this forum!

It will open everything up!

Read a little, enjoy learning. ;)

Chiilax... :D

[evant]

once again thanks for your advice goran.i live in north east of england,i used to have humax400z, motorised,could put new patch, and anything else, program with an elvis,just used to connect from pc to box with cable, gold fun cards,no bother, but 70 now and health not to great but luv my tele nowand reading forums like hell trying my best,snag like i said ,i live in coucil bungalow.but i think like you said a good twin lnb slighty bigger dish,motor,and box that is still a hobby but not to difficult to load info.merry xmas and god bless to you and yours.evant.

[goran]

No, m8, it's not very complicated to put a new FW [or additionally tweak a FW] or a piece of SW, like an Emu or CS SW into a Linux based receiver, for a veteran of Humax 5400z and Elvis with Goldies! :) [Especially if you have an "intro" like mine to grab hold of! :D]

I used to do much the same stuff, actually, with Sammy DSR 9500 VIACI, Aston CI CAM, MasterA IV and so on... ;)

Good luck and seasons greetings to you and yours!:respect-051:

It's a cool hobby!:king-041: