New DM 800 Pics

[jackpot18uk]

Got these from another forum

[doubleudee]

yeah seen them m8, here's the rear of it.

oops, can't attach images.......... :mad:

oh well, your loss!

[cooler]

They look a little 500s, let see how much they go for.

[HD1080]

£594 with no HDMI !!!

[doubleudee]

Must be fake!

[HD1080]

yeah seen them m8, here's the rear of it.

oops, can't attach images.......... :mad:

oh well, your loss!

Please upload it to www.tinypic.com and post it here, I would like to see it :)

[Gone_Fishing]

Rear View ;)


TNT

[zad]

looks a little rough looking from tnt's pics the sockets dont look like they quite align with the cutouts on the back. for this type of money you would expect better

[Zipper]

Now ask yourself a question?......Would you pay nigh on £600.00 for that! even without a HDMI?.:eek:


Best Regards

[Dr Watson]

any photo of mainboard and cpi procesoor use it ?

[garz]

After all of this time the photos are a little disapointing but who's to say this is not just a prototype model? Time will tell and time is something that is really rolling on and going against Dream Multimedia!!

Regards

Garz

[HD1080]

Yes but it is already available to buy so it must be the finished product !

[hda5]

Those pictures were taken at a trade show. The DM800 on display at the trade show was a demo model only - not the finished product.

The finished product will be a couple of months off yet.

[jackpot18uk]

March seems to be the latest date given, rumours are the DM 8000 will cost about £600 not heard anything about the price for the 800, no HDMI but a dvi to hdmi lead would come in useful, wonder if it is included? someone will prob find away round HDCP as an add on. think I'll wait for the 8000.

[jackpot18uk]

The picture becomes clearer

DREAMBOX DM 8000 PVR DVD
• supports PVR, DVD
• 2 internal slots for optional DVB-S, -C or -T,
mixable, Plug&Play
• AMD/ELAN SC520 32Bit Controller
• Linux open source (most parts under the terms of GPL)
• supports Linux Standard API
• 4 x DVB Common-Interface slot
• 2 x Smartcard-Reader (Dreamcrypt)
• integrated Compact Flash and SD Interface slot
• H.264 HDTV 1080i
• DVI Connector
• TWIN DVB-S2 Tuner
• 10/100 MBit compatible Ethernet Interface
• 3 x USB 2.0 Port
• V.24/RS232 Interface
• Big size OLED (graphical Display 128 x 64 dots)
• 32 MByte Flash
• 256 MByte DDR RAM
• Integrated SATA and IDE Interface
• Mini PCI socket for optional WiFi cards
• 2 embedded WiFi antennas
• support for internal HDD in any capacity
• support for internal DVD device
• unlimited channel lists for TV/Radio
• channel-change time < 1 second
• full automatic service scan
• supports directly bouquet-lists
• supports EPG (electronic program guide)
• supports multiple LNB-Switching control
(supports DiSEqC)
• fully adaptable OSD in many languages and skin-support
• S/PDIF Interface for digital bit stream out (AC3) optical
and coaxial RF
• 2 Scart Interfaces
• YUV Cinch connectors
• Audio/Video cinch out
• in BLACK/SILVER and BLACK design available



DREAMBOX DM 100
• fully MPEG2 and DVB-S compliant
• input frequency 950 ~ 2150MHz
• tuner symbol rate 1 ~ 45MS/s
• smartcard reader, SIM-card reader
• SCART interface, USB-B interface
• S/PDIF interface for digital bit stream out (AC-3)
• supports Subtitle and Teletext (OSD)
• Multi Picture View ( 4 or 9 pictures)
• supports Electronic Program Guide (EPG)
• Picture In Graphic (PIG)
• supports SCPC and MCPC from C/Ku band
• favorite channel list editing and sorting
• full automatic Service Scan and blind Scan
• supports Picture In Picture (PIP)
• DiSEqC 1.0, 1.1, Motor (1.2) and USALS (1.3) compatible
• supports Signal Beep ON/OFF for easy installation
• 10/100MBit compatible Ethernet Interface
• zoom function
• powerful channel sorting and grouping
• user friendly and 3D (Dimension) OSD
• slim and fashionable STB
• Parental Control video and audio mode
• history channel list (9 channels)
• internal audio DAC (24bit, 192kHz Stereo DAC)

Nothing on the 800 though

[Likvid]

That's one of the ugliest and cheapest looking boxes i've seen.

I am not buying any more dreambox anyway due to their low quality made Chinese.

[EportBlue1878]

if it is only 1080i an not 1080p there taking the pish at £600 big ones

[dubious]

if it is only 1080i an not 1080p there taking the pish at &#163;600 big ones

Huh? No broadcaster sends HD in 1080p and never likely to, all HD boxes no matter the make are 1080i !

[gov400]

I have seen both and i can see no visual difference between 1080p and 1080i. Its only really apparent in screens bigger than 50"

[Gone_Fishing]

Huh? No broadcaster sends HD in 1080p and never likely to, all HD boxes no matter the make are 1080i !

Its not that straight forward a lot of HDTV is 1080p 24 fps and its the stb that interlaces it to 1080i

Its the same with blu ray and hd dvd its 1080p 24fps on the disc if you watch at 1080i its the player that interlaces it


TNT

[dubious]

Its not that straight forward a lot of HDTV is 1080p 24 fps and its the stb that interlaces it to 1080i

Its the same with blu ray and hd dvd its 1080p 24fps on the disc if you watch at 1080i its the player that interlaces it


TNT

Show me one broadcaster who sends in 1080p 24, there is not one. I have no doubt source material is 1080p but it is always interlaced before being broadcast.

My point still stands ALL HD boxes are 1080i.

Blu-ray and HD DVD is different matter.

[Gone_Fishing]

Obviously in Europe its 1080p25 or 1080i50 both pretty much use the same bandwidth stbs always output 1080i

Fair enough if you don't think anything is 1080p25


TNT

[hemipower]

http://www.satpro.se/topmenu/80001.jpg

[norman11]

Oh Gawd...another Dreambox ....Dream on......yawn.
And No HDMI!!:D

[dubious]

@TNT

I don't wish to be argumentative but it's not a case of if I don't think anyone broadcasts 1080p, it's the case of European HDTV broadcast standards set by the EBU :)

At the moment I think you will agree most europen broadcasters are using the DVB-S2 standard which is 720p or 1080/I/25. Consequently current HDTV STBs conform to this standard.

For the broadcasters to send us 1080/P/25 which they could in the future they would have to use the DVB-S3 standard (which does actually use alot more bandwidth than 1080i) and would require STBs that conform to that standard. AKA third generation HDTV


Q: Will there be any actual TV programmes shot and broadcast as 1080p/50 or 1080/60?

A: Not for some time.

Source:_http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=409129

According to the author a 1080p panel will de-interlace and reconstruct 1080p anyway. The whole 1080p/1080i thing is confusing anyway for most of us.

The reason for me posting anyway was to correct spurious comments like "it's not even 1080p" which only leads ppl to believe there are 1080p STBs when in fact there are not.

[Gone_Fishing]

I still don't think you understand what I'm saying, a lot of stuff is filmed in
1080p25 and I'm talking about the point it becomes interlaced

Do you think they would film in 1080p25 then re encode the whole thing to
1080i50 when they could shoot it in 1080i50 in the first place or do you
think 1080p25 gets interlaced another way ?

Have a read of the pdf page 13 and 16 might be of interest


TNT

[dubious]

We mustn't confuse source with actual transmission.

IMHO there is nothing in that PDF to contradict what I have already said.

For a company like the BBC it is their best interest to produce in the highest possible quality, that way it can easily be converted to the format the the buyer requires, ie either for worldwide TV or HD DVD/Blu-ray for example.

As I see it interlacing is done at transmission, let's face it all the early HD DVD players interlace 1080 24p discs and output it at 1080i very well.

We can't get away from the fact that the EBU standard for DVB-S2 is 720p/1080i but at the end of the day it's all down to bandwidth, with interlaced only the even number of 1920x540 lines are sent in one 1/60th of a second and then the odd number of 1920x540 lines are sent in the next 1/60th of second. Not all 1920x1080 are sent at one time. So half the bandwidth is needed for a 1080i vs 1080p image.

[Gone_Fishing]

As I see it interlacing is done at transmission

Thats what I've been trying to say all along theres a difference between something recorded in 1080i50 and broadcast and 1080p25 thats displayed interlaced

1080p25 can be broadcast interlaced but its not really had its 25 progressive frames changed only the info on how to display those frames


TNT

[HD1080]

Listen.

NO Broadcasters broadcast in 1080p yet.
NO boxes are capable of receiving 1080p yet.

Now, let's stop talking about HD, and get back on topic about the new awaited DM800

[BE-COOL]

Soon...

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Finally.

[brain]

Please dont tell me these are mirages!! The 8000 at last? Ill book my flight to germany now! Cheers - brain

[BE-COOL]

http://b.imagehost.org/0174/800.jpg

:)

[jimmyboy]

Does the bird come free with the dreambox or she she extra?

[Dr Watson]

the german offical say will be replace mid may dm 8000s

[xxxAxxx]

Please dont tell me these are mirages!! The 8000 at last? Ill book my flight to germany now! Cheers - brain

are you going for her or the box????

[norman11]

Right.....can we see the back connections.....and does she come with HDMI :D

[Likvid]

Who will buy the DM800 here as soon as it comes out?

[Keano]

I'll be honest and say that I wont be to far off from buying one once they are released.
Biggest reason is I know the support is there and within days you will have non-official images running on it and c/s will be poss in no time.

If the ipbo***00 could do what the db could do then I would buy that but the bottom line is I have seen and tried to many linux receivers trying to match the db and they can't do it.

[Eugenie]

@likvid...I&#180;ll probably buy a unit as soon as they hit the shops, I&#180;ve kept my hands off every HD receiver out so far and I&#180;ll take the plunge on the DB800. It does depend a little on the price though. Also, I&#180;m desperate for a PVR unit since I sold my DB7000 more then 14 months ago. I&#180;ve wanted a HD PVR unit with internal HDD recording in .TS format with the ability to fetch the recordings via LAN. The DB800 should be the first to offer this (I believe the IPBOX records in .PES extention). Enigma is also one of the better GUI's out there, the only fear is that DMM might mess up the hardware.

[Likvid]

I beleive it's lack of innovation with the other Linux boxes, they all want Enigma on them but why not make a new system from start that is better.

I don't like Dreambox as i beleive they take advantage of the market with high prices and low quality hardware, only thing Dreambox survives is because they got the software and without software any box will be dead, doesn't matter how good the hardware is.

I am afraid the IPBOX 9000HD will go that route, what is it now? 2 weeks since it went on sale in the shops and no good software, people can't even get a T-Rex cam working in them, it's a mess but the hardware is great.

[Gone_Fishing]

I beleive it's lack of innovation with the other Linux boxes, they all want Enigma on them but why not make a new system from start that is better.

I don't like Dreambox as i beleive they take advantage of the market with high prices and low quality hardware, only thing Dreambox survives is because they got the software and without software any box will be dead, doesn't matter how good the hardware is.

I am afraid the IPBOX 9000HD will go that route, what is it now? 2 weeks since it went on sale in the shops and no good software, people can't even get a T-Rex cam working in them, it's a mess but the hardware is great.

So why are they low quality hardware ?


TNT

[Likvid]

So why are they low quality hardware ?


TNT

Well if you haven't noticed like most other have done the PCBs are not several layers as Kathrein or DGS boxes which are made in Korea.

Also they use mainly plastic in the whole chassis to keep costs down compared to real aluminium chassi in DGS/kathrein.

The capacitors are of low quality etc etc etc....list can go on and on.

There is a reason Dreambox is the most returned receiver under warranty, failing PSUs due to underdimensioned capacity.

They have done absolutely everything to keep costs down and at the same time charge premium like it was a quality product.

Just look at the cover for the chassis, it's low chinese lowgrade metal, the same metal used in cheap chinese nuts and bolts.

Open a Dreambox and open up a Relook 400s or a Kathrein, it's like night and day when you start to see the quality of the components on the PCB.

[Likvid]

Ok here is the right picture of the DM800 back.

http://www.mpcclub.com/newspic/dm800hd-rear.gif

[dishdad]

So why are they low quality hardware ? TNT

Whatever bullets may be fired, you and I know that the DB has performed basically as promised and as promoted !

Yes, we all depend on support be it manufacturer or third party.....no question that all original Dreambox owners will agree that if user effort is put IN then the receiver still gives us the required result.

Easy to talk, predict and contemplate what the new receivers may be, but, the Dreambox that exists NOW has performed.

Think we/us DB owners are still enjoying our 'over priced' box ! 24133

Several posters in this thread are established users and no doubt will purchase the new release based on that experience.

I, no doubt, like other owners, await the 'up to date HD' release.

Competition is good......it usually chases a proven and established winner.

[Gone_Fishing]

I'm not a db owner thats why I asked low quality to me means a box with a short shelf life but I wasn't aware of that being the case either ?

I will probably buy a 800/8000 after a few people have had their hands on them for a while and give their verdict


TNT

[doubleudee]

I will probably buy a 800/8000 after a few people have had their hands on them for a while and give their verdict
TNT

and I will be following suit m8. ;)

[HD1080]

With no HDMI and a stupid price tag, it really is a DREAMbox

[Gone_Fishing]

With no HDMI and a stupid price tag, it really is a DREAMbox

How many satellite providers are going to broadcast with TrueHD audio or DTS HD audio the answer none don't think
its even possible so hdmi brings you nothing extra

Unless you want dolby digital 5.1 through hdmi but even then you would need a hdmi compliant amp unless you
know of any tv's with built in dolby digital 5.1


TNT

[Dr Watson]

is add sata 2 to be external hdd ?

[jackpot18uk]

is add sata 2 to be external hdd ?

Yes you should be able to connect an external hard drive with the eSATA connector.

[HD1080]

I don't understand why DVI. It is a real let down, if it had HDMI it would be perfect.

[teenie]

I don't understand why DVI. It is a real let down, if it had HDMI it would be perfect.

IIRC the lack of HDMI was something to do with HDCP licencing issues.

But, as already stated by TNT, it's no detriment as you just need a HDMI to DVI cable, there's not going to be any TrueHD transmissions any time soon.

[Gone_Fishing]

Not sure thats entirely true HDCP is separate from HDMI and both require a license, DVI can also be HDCP compliant

DVI without HDCP will make the dreambox pretty useless on channels that carry HDCP unless images have a work around
but that would require a set of device keys so cant really see that happening

I guess we wont find out until there out


TNT

[HD1080]

Do most channels have HDCP on them ?

[3tv]

Listen.

NO Broadcasters broadcast in 1080p yet.
NO boxes are capable of receiving 1080p yet.

Now, let's stop talking about HD, and get back on topic about the new awaited DM800

record somthing off SKy movies HD, theres plenty of 1080 progressive material on there but the reciever outputs it as interlaced. You will be able to check it for yourself with the db8000 by recording it then checking it out on a PC.

[3tv]

Do most channels have HDCP on them ?

hdcp is moot if the reciever ignores the flag :)

[dubious]

record somthing off SKy movies HD, theres plenty of 1080 progressive material on there but the reciever outputs it as interlaced. You will be able to check it for yourself with the db8000 by recording it then checking it out on a PC.

Please, can we put this to bed once and for all, this is directly from the horses mouth


I've heard there are two HD formats. What's the difference between them?

That's right - the two HD formats are 1080i and 720p. The first, 1080i, increases the number of rows in your TV picture to 1080 and is interlaced - ie first the even rows are scanned, then the odd ones. The other, the 720p, has 720 rows but this time they are progressively scanned. This means that every row of pixels is shown in every frame.


What format will Sky HD broadcast in?

Sky HD will support both HD formats: 720p and 1080i. Broadcasters and programme-makers will choose which format is best for their programmes and your Sky HD box will display the format that best works with your TV.

_http://sly.com/hd/faq.htm

change the l to k ;)

[Dreamlife]

When does the Dreambox 800HD come out, April 10th? :confused:

[3tv]

Please, can we put this to bed once and for all, this is directly from the horses mouth





_http://sly.com/hd/faq.htm

change the l to k ;)

use your own eyes, screw what SKy says. Record somthing of SMHD and see for yourself. (hardware permitting) or grab a transport stream off usenet. Then come bak here and apologize :)

its the same with Premiere Film HD. You will be able to record the 1080p stream with a dm8000 but its down to the hardware if it can output it as such.

[dubious]

use your own eyes, screw what SKy says. Record somthing of SMHD and see for yourself. (hardware permitting) or grab a transport stream off usenet. Then come bak here and apologize :)

its the same with Premiere Film HD. You will be able to record the 1080p stream with a dm8000 but its down to the hardware if it can output it as such.

Look, i've posted enough evidence in this thread and others always with links to back up what I say. Maybe you should read them and research yourself.

At this point in time it's simply down to economics, 1080p takes twice the bandwidth of 1080i, which means in simple terms, taking Sly as an example, that at the current bandwidth to send at 1080p they would need twice the transponder space for the HD channels they have or transmit only half of the channels. Which option do you really think Sly are gonna choose ?

As I have reasearched this thoroughly and i'm 100&#37; sure of the facts then I certainly won't be coming back here to apologise ;) But if you prefer to argue against facts and even what Sly say themselves then theres nothing more to say !

[Gone_Fishing]

@3tv

Stop trying to convince them M8 you wont do it wait until they can see for themselves

@dubious

1080i/50 and 1080i/60 uses the same bandwidth as 1080p/24 and 1080p25

Bandwidth is only a problem with MPEG -2 and not with H.264

I recorded a raw stream from BBC HD and it was 1080p/25 in H.264 and it was progressive,
this was an anamorphic broadcast with a resolution of 1440x1080 which when viewed on 16:9 became 1920x1080

What you should ask yourself is have you ever had anything encoded in h.264 that was interlaced from any source ?


TNT

[3tv]

@3tv

Stop trying to convince them M8 you wont do it wait until they can see for themselves

@dubious

1080i/50 and 1080i/60 uses the same bandwidth as 1080p/24 and 1080p25

Bandwidth is only a problem with MPEG -2 and not with H.264

I recorded a raw stream from BBC HD and it was 1080p/25 in H.264 and it was progressive,
this was an anamorphic broadcast with a resolution of 1440x1080 which when viewed on 16:9 became 1920x1080

What you should ask yourself is have you ever had anything encoded in h.264 that was interlaced from any source ?


TNT

just wish people would actually look for themselves instead of believing everything they read, but ive give up trying to convince them, hell the evidence is there, the newsgroups are full of 1080p transport streams recorded off the sky HD movie channels

[Gone_Fishing]

I guess I was wrong about h.264 not being interlaced ever :)

Recorded a couple of previews on bbc hd one of which was football and was clearly interlaced using h2.64 loads of
artifacts associated with viewing interlaced material on a PC

Took some screen shots

1440x1080

_http://www.picturepile.net/files/yy5dztw2c2wymonj2mek.png

1920x1080

_http://www.picturepile.net/files/qja1kxmy2zzwnnawe4gy.png

When its not interlaced there are no artifacts at all

1440x1080

_http://www.picturepile.net/files/ojz0ikimyznm3jnzjlmt.png

1920x1080

_http://www.picturepile.net/files/qd1md2tjmzamonyxdmyj.png

I'll be happy to admit I'm wrong but I've never seen interlaced look like progressive or interlaced screen cap
look like a perfect still image ?


TNT

[3tv]

Discovery shows plenty of interlaced material.

the bbc shows a mixture of the 2 and broadcast in a slightly diffrent format to skyHD (bbcHD mbaff skyhd paff). Caused havoc when the first humax h264 capable reciever came out as it couldnt display it. Im sure the DB will handle it straight out of the box though :)

[jackpot18uk]

Dreambox 800 now advertised on an offical Dream Multimedia Uk suppliers website for &#163;349, delivery within 3 weeks.

[crabber]

Are they sure this is correct? I had a chat with Lee at Goldwafers yesterday and he has no news as yet unfortunately.

[mini__me]

Yeah seen it as well, I have been to their store before so I guess it actually will be here within 3 weeks....wonder how long for the 8000

[Zipper]

Are they sure this is correct? I had a chat with Lee at Goldwafers yesterday and he has no news as yet unfortunately.



Take a look at -************** site he's the official dreambox distributor dealer in the UK.:D


Best Regards

[xanadu]

Take a look at ************ site he's the official dreambox distributor dealer in the UK.:D


Just looking for pre-sales I expect.

Don't believe everything you read. :D :rolleyes:

Unless it's in stock, it's NOT for sale. :D

[crabber]

I don't want to break any rules but there are two official dreambox distributors in the UK. One of them is taking orders and says two and a half weeks!!