New Premiere encryption technology: Game over for criminal hackers

[traveller]

I hope this hasn't posted this before. :-


• Change to NDS Videoguard® for satellite customers
• New Nagravision system to operate in parallel
• Swap of new smartcards for all satellite subscribers, starting in Q2, 2008
• Switch to new encryption system made easy for subscribers
• No new receivers necessary

Munich, April 15, 2008. Premiere is following a dual strategy to combat criminal hackers. In Q2 2008, alongside a new version of Nagravision, Premiere will introduce the encryption technology NDS Videoguard® for the satellite transmission of its pay-TV programming. Premiere is taking this step to protect its exclusive film and sports programming by using the latest developments of the two leading providers of encryption technology worldwide. All new receivers will be equipped with NDS Videoguard.

NDS Videoguard® is the encryption system developed by the NDS Group, a News Corporation subsidiary. The pay-TV operator will switch its satellite customers and households that receive Premiere from smaller private cable network operators on network level 4 over to the new encryption system by 2012. The contract with the NDS Group has a ten-year term. A new improved Nagravision encryption will be used in parallel. The contract with the Swiss software developer Kudelski for Nagravision will expire in 2012 and can be extended.

Hans Seger, Chief Program and Technology Officer at Premiere AG: “A secure encryption system is the most important prerequisite of the pay-TV business model. Our decision to work with two providers initially will also strengthen our hand in the fight against the hacker mafia, also in the long term. Anyone who has purchased a hacked receiver will soon realize that they have thrown the money out of the window and that it’s better to buy a Premiere package the legal way.”

In the first phase, NDS Videoguard® will be introduced in Premiere satellite households in the second quarter of 2008.

Customers of the large cable TV operators in Germany, Kabel Deutschland, Kabel BW and Unitymedia, will not be affected by the current changes to the encryption system, nor will customers who receive Premiere soccer Bundesliga via arenaSat.

Two-phase change: Software update and smartcard switch made easy for subscribers / No new receivers necessary
The change of the encryption system will be implemented in the easiest possible way for Premiere subscribers. A receiver swap will not be necessary as all receivers “enabled for Premiere” will still function. Premiere will install the new encryption software NDS Videoguard® on all compatible receivers. After this update has been completed, the subscribers will receive a message on the receiver providing them with a telephone number that they can call to directly order a new smartcard. These customers will be given access to their Premiere programming until they receive the new smartcard.
To resolve the remaining security issues in the current Nagravision system, the smartcards of all other satellite customers also need to be changed. Premiere subscribers will automatically be sent a new smartcard, which they can simply swap against the old one.. Besides satellite customers, all subscribers to smaller private cable network operators (with smartcard identification codes P01 to P04) will be transferred to the new Nagravision system. In order to guarantee the smooth reception of Premiere during the swap, these subscribers will also be given access to their Premiere programming.

[player1]

CS seems to be the only option then.

[tt2xr]

What about non criminal hackers - are they ok ? :)

[Barney]

CS is gonna just be more popular and premiere will certainly loose as eventually thier "secure" system will be hacked once again i really dunno why they even bother..:smilielol5::):p:respect-048:

[Ragnarok]

they will still have Nagra until 2012. still hope.

NDS's reputation and market share continues to grow, as does many others hatred of it. might not be that long until it's hacker target number 1. Maybe a rival will borrow a page from NDS's playbook.

[tr8.]

the more that goe to nds the better, the more chance of leaks on info and a future hack.
The only prob with cs is they are not all reliable.

tr8

[traveller]

the more that goe to nds the better, the more chance of leaks on info and a future hack.
The only prob with cs is they are not all reliable.

tr8

Quite right tr8 m8, with NDS it reads the card more often. I don't want to say any more as we are on the limit at the moment.

[TheBadger]

;) N*$ are probably playing a long game and are responsible for all the hacks that are available - they want every provider to use their system, which is miraculously secure!

[ripley]

then every provider that n*s have screwed will work together to screw n#s,looking forward to seeing a free platform for all:cheers2:

[RABBY]

I Personally think NDS Is Hacked ? Has been for a long time!!!! Time will Tell:D

[holmroad]

Think you could be right Rabby - its just that Rupie has frightened the living daylights out of everybody re sly actions!
Maybe OTHER providers COULD be released though?:respect-039:

[Locoman]

I would like to put a question to you all, what would happen if providers change their encryption to N$s. what would we all lose.

[TheBadger]

:biggrinjester: Well I have read that no card based encryption system which does not have its own power supply can be 100% secure! So you are probably right Rabby. Uncle Rupe's people went after the last commercial hacker in a big way but I don't think there's much they could do about one being placed in the public demesne via the internet. However, should a powered card be needed then the cost would be passed on to the subscribers!

[Ragnarok]

:biggrinjester: Well I have read that no card based encryption system which does not have its own power supply can be 100% secure!

you can stretch that to any 1 way system weather card based or built in like PowerVU, because you are putting hardware containing your encryption secrets out in public.

[doubleudee]

Ha ha, all eggs in one basket, once the sky hack gets leaked the lot of em will be ****tin themselves.

[zad]

personally speaking i do think nds has been done and all the providers going to this system is going to ether make or break the sat scene.

my reasons for saying this is...

1 if nds was never hacked why do sky uk change the viewing cards now and again?
2 if everyone is using the same encryption type everyone will more than likely have the same sat system setup and there with be no reason for forums like this apart from asking "whats the latest keys", "im not getting any picture". not to mention the fact that the admin and the mods do not want to do jail time for having discussions on here about breaking the law (cant blame them there i sure as hell would not)

so in other words... yes its bound to happen and 1 of 2 things will happen, we loose the sat scene as nds will open and the board wll close down as there is nothing to discuss and the admin and mods do not want to be a part of it (once again i cant blame)

or nds will never be open (even if it is hacked it will never be released and counter measures will be put in place before y use it on an unofficial platform) leading to the board closing down as there is nothing to discuss as the mods and admin will not allow it (after all would you want to take the risk of some possible jail time or big fines?)

this is what providers have all wanted for ages, its just took a long time for them to get the ability to do it and deploy this type of system without bankrupting them

sorry if i have gone borderline with the rules guys but i think it had to be said

[Graham7]

I know we cannot talk about S*y. But say that nds was crack and they all went to this. Does not mean that we wont have this say for Prem and the rest of them but just not for S*y. There all so might be a little different between Prem nds and S*y nds. Could be wrong here not a expert far from it.

[tintoria1]

Anybody knows if there is a date when Premiere will turn off Nagra for NDS ? Would it be reasonable to think they would like to complete the swtich before the new football season start ?

[CokeAddict]

Interesting reading.

The point about the more providors on 1 system, sounds about right.

If the major packages are all on the same encryption system, it will only be a matter of time before something comes from it.

It would prob be a very expensive commercial hack, but a hack none the less.

The only problem I can see is:

N*S was out in the uk in 2000, it's now 2008, whats the chances of the system still being the same.

I would think prem would have an "updated" version of the system to what is out in most of the uk.

I am sure the new uk HD box's have an updated version over the older digi box's.

[TAZMAN2]

nice bit of reading we will have to wieght and se what happens

[drahcirk]

what we really need is a box, which, doesnt need unencrypting ,just simply clears the signal at source,.

[spliffy]

doh !

[paul01609]

well im glad i got a dreambox now,looks like cs is soon going to be the way to go if we are to keep things alive

[morfsta]

A hack of CSA is the way to go... ;-) Now that would be sweet.

[cooler]

CS is not the way, since it's been over a year and I've not found any share group or a server, also nds is working on a card that will put an end to that too.

But I sure think it has been hacked but not released.

[007.4]

The Common Scrambling Algorithm (CSA) is already fully hacked and public. The problem is getting the correct Control Words on some systems to implement it.

[mark1500]

A hack of CSA is the way to go... ;-) Now that would be sweet.:respect-040::bravo-009:

The Common Scrambling Algorithm (CSA) is already fully hacked and public:angelsad2::angelsad2:

i thought u was on about the child support agency

[Flangerman]

The German site "Area DVD" says in this article
_http://www.areadvd.de/news/2008/07/29/premiere-kartentausch-startet-im-august/

That Premiere will start exchanging the old smart cards with new ones for their subscribers in the week starting from 04.08.2008 and that at the same time they will update the receiver to the new software that will go gradually in the weeks to follow.

No good news :frown:

[asia]

does this mean we lose premiere?

[Ravenquest]

I would imagine so.

[paul01609]

CS is not the way, since it's been over a year and I've not found any share group or a server, also nds is working on a card that will put an end to that too.

But I sure think it has been hacked but not released.

maybe your not looking hard enuff?

[morfsta]

The Common Scrambling Algorithm (CSA) is already fully hacked and public. The problem is getting the correct Control Words on some systems to implement it.

No it isn't. The algorithm is public - but it doesn't mean that it's "hacked" - a hack would involve identifying a flaw in the algorithm such that it would be possible to decrypt (via bruteforce with the aid of the flaw) the CSA encoded mpeg stream in realtime with today's computing resources.

[morfsta]

maybe your not looking hard enuff?

Oh no, here we go. Another "I have it hacked here, but its too secret for you" merchant.

[paul01609]

Oh no, here we go. Another "I have it hacked here, but its too secret for you" merchant.

who said i had it hacked?like i said befor card sharing is the way to go,i have more packages then i can watch

[Flangerman]

Hi m8s,Well I think its all scaremongering,yes they are going over to NDS (MEDIAGUARD) but thiswill not happen overnight,there are 100,000 of the old type receivers in Germany that wont handle the NDS cards so they will have to tread very carefully and run both systems in unison until such time all of their customers have the new stb's.....tj2:respect-023:

You are right they will use Nagravision with the old stb´s but according to this German article *link removed*

The subscriber with an old stb will get a new smartcard that doesn't have the same leak as the old one. But who knows maybe it will get hacked eventually :applause-038:

[traveller]

You are right they will use Nagravision with the old stb´s but according to this German article
The subscriber with an old stb will get a new smartcard that doesn't have the same leak as the old one. But who knows maybe it will get hacked eventually :applause-038:

Please change the live link, Thanks.

[sleepy]

@traveller, your quote still has the live link m8.;):D

[DaOne]

CS is not the way, since it's been over a year and I've not found any share group or a server, also nds is working on a card that will put an end to that too.
But I sure think it has been hacked but not released.

Ok lets clear this up
1.C/S is A way to watch unhacked tv at present,,untill somethng else creeps along
2.YES It is out there ..but not on this site and may never be which I totally support.
3. Its underground and the sites and Mods will bann you in a milli second if you break the c/s rules speaking about it openly ..Hence why its a success so far
4.C/S IS NOT A HACK. ...Nuff said
5. NDS works fine on c/s and there are ways round everything trust me
6.I hope the whole world of satalite tv dont go this route as too many chefs spoil the broth and the world needs SATPIMPS

If every card goes nds then we pimps will dig in and fight ,,,:cheers2:

[simon 2003]

yea if man made it man can break the fooker,

[DaOne]

Oh no, here we go. Another "I have it hacked here, but its too secret for you" merchant.

Mortsfa your barking up the wrong tree mate :banghead:
Its not that its a secret its that you cant publicly speak of how to c/s and what to do to c/s on this site unless you like the word BANNED next to your name.

No offence mate but if anyone wants to learn these things try Goo goal :respect-050:

[cooler]

maybe your not looking hard enuff?

Yeah I have, and I am member of the famous site. Closest I've found someone was willing to charge me more to CS than it would to just subscribe.

[thomasking]

i been talking to some who from japon saying n** can be hacked at mo say that no one can do but if N** can be hack for uk and premier it will be good news for all people watching for free

[traveller]

@traveller, your quote still has the live link m8.;):D

I did report it to the board, looks sorted now.

[paul01609]

Yeah I have, and I am member of the famous site. Closest I've found someone was willing to charge me more to CS than it would to just subscribe.

well your looking in the wrong place,if you pay to watch some ones sub then your asking for trouble

[DaOne]

Yeah I have, and I am member of the famous site. Closest I've found someone was willing to charge me more to CS than it would to just subscribe.
Cooler in im sure what your looking for is called C/S?
Not pay server share?
Upstairs for thinking
Downstairs for ....?

[cooler]

well your looking in the wrong place,if you pay to watch some ones sub then your asking for trouble


Cooler in im sure what your looking for is called C/S?
Not pay server share?
Upstairs for thinking
Downstairs for ....?

Yes guys I know that, I don't think you understood me. I thoguht he was trying to C/S with me since I had a good card at a time, but when he asked for the money, I told him to be on his bike.

I've even stoped trying now, maybe found the wrong people, but I thought it was waste of time.